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Where do emotions such as Love from
#51
RE: Where do emotions such as Love from
Quote:Wait hold on. I am not trying to disprove chemical reactions. I am simply trying to show how they are additional tools to assist you like the many other tools.
They are NOT TOOLS that merely assist. Without them, you'd be dead!
Those chemical reactions is what allows you to feel anything at all you silly nikabucka!


Quote:Well i am trying to show you how this whole universe exists in different perspective.
Yes I can see that, I also see the absurdity in it as well. You think everything has a purpose? You think this universe was made with us in mind? Think you'll find yourself to be a little incorrect about that.

Quote:A way where it is very easy and obvious to notice.
Only if you're a pattern seeking monkey!

Quote:I do believe this law of the relative is fairly easy to notice and cannot be denied.
It's easily noticed when you're a pattern seeking primate looking for it.

Quote:It is what makes experience possible. Once you accept it, you can step farther in seeking why it exists.
I can't see how one could deny this law exists as everything is an example of it.
You are delusional. Forces, energy and all that shit, was not for us to experience. It's part of the cosmos. We are just biological specks with no importance or purpose to this universe.
You're one of those sillies who thinks everything has a purpose. So yes I can confidently confirm that you are deluded.

Quote:If you agree that it is real then can you begin to see it's purpose?
There is no purpose. You are a pattern seeking primate, seeing patterns is what you do by nature.
Just because there is energy and absence of energy doesn't mean there is a pattern to it.


Quote:It is more than fairly evident, it is ridiculously evident.
I can see what you're seeing mate, it's just that you see a pattern that isn't really there. You are a pattern seeking primate, this is what you do. Seek patterns. Even when there are none. Like when you see faces on shadows or cliff faces.
I guess you can't grasp this. It's like telling a cat who's just had an entire bowl full of fish, not to go out and kill birds because it's already full. Cats follow their instincts and cannot challenge them. Just as you see patterns, and there are none.



Quote:This feels the same way as an Atheist doesn't wish to question something that is more than obvious and will stand on their belief of disbelief even with clear evidence.
Belief of disbelief? Huh?

Quote:The rules are there, the evidence is clear, the relative law is functioning as it is but one cannot question why and for what is it there for.
Pattern seeking nut.
There is no way you'll be able to think beyond your pattern seeking mind.

Quote:It is there and you say don't look for the purpose but yet it is giving it's purpose clearly.
So you think thermal energy and lack of was put here for the sole purpose of us to experience them? You have any idea how insane that is? Only humans seem to have the delusion that everything requires a purpose. Special purpose and meaning happens to be one of our biggest delusions. And you have it!

Quote:Again: This law is what makes experience possible or else one would know things conceptually.
No it doesn't. You haven't proven a bloody thing. Just try and prove that it was all put here for a 'special purpose' for us to experience.


Quote:Correct, and to experience Love and Joy you must know what you choose Love and Joy is by not choosing what makes your Sad.
That made no sense at all. In fact, the whole of your post made no sense at all.
I strongly advise you send yourself to an asylum. You need help.
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Mankind's intelligence walks hand in hand with it's stupidity.

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#52
RE: Where do emotions such as Love from
(June 18, 2011 at 7:02 am)Ace Otana Wrote:
Quote:Wait hold on. I am not trying to disprove chemical reactions. I am simply trying to show how they are additional tools to assist you like the many other tools.
They are NOT TOOLS that merely assist. Without them, you'd be dead!
Those chemical reactions is what allows you to feel anything at all you silly nikabucka!

Would you be dead without eyes for sight? Isn't eyes tools like the other senses that assist?

Tell me what made a chemical reaction exist then?
What motivation brought forth the desire of life to experience itself then?

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Quote:Well i am trying to show you how this whole universe exists in different perspective.
Yes I can see that, I also see the absurdity in it as well. You think everything has a purpose? You think this universe was made with us in mind? Think you'll find yourself to be a little incorrect about that.
What is so absurd about it?
It is obvious that everything here is relative. Is this not true?
It is obvious that you need the relative for experience to be experienced. Is this absurd?
It is obvious that the relative exists for something to be experienced.
It is obvious that life practices experiencing.
It is obvious that this universe and this realm exists for anything that can experience to experience because it can and does so.
Are these lies, baseless assumptions and absurdity?

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Quote:A way where it is very easy and obvious to notice.
Only if you're a pattern seeking monkey!
Are you scared to see an evident law in your plain view?

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Quote:I do believe this law of the relative is fairly easy to notice and cannot be denied.
It's easily noticed when you're a pattern seeking primate looking for it.
I don't know why this would upset you and behave unkind.
What im sharing with you will be very difficult to disprove.

Quote:
Quote:It is what makes experience possible. Once you accept it, you can step farther in seeking why it exists.
I can't see how one could deny this law exists as everything is an example of it.
You are delusional. Forces, energy and all that shit, was not for us to experience. It's part of the cosmos. We are just biological specks with no importance or purpose to this universe.
You're one of those sillies who thinks everything has a purpose. So yes I can confidently confirm that you are deluded.
It was not meant for us to experience?
Us meaning we humans or all life that can experience?
Hmm. You are saying that life which can experience was not meant to experience?
So the universe exists in relative form which makes experience possible was not meant for anything that can experience simply experience?
You call me delusional with this?

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Quote:It is more than fairly evident, it is ridiculously evident.
I can see what you're seeing mate, it's just that you see a pattern that isn't really there. You are a pattern seeking primate, this is what you do. Seek patterns. Even when there are none. Like when you see faces on shadows or cliff faces.
I guess you can't grasp this. It's like telling a cat who's just had an entire bowl full of fish, not to go out and kill birds because it's already full. Cats follow their instincts and cannot challenge them. Just as you see patterns, and there are none.
I challenge you to disprove that the relative exists then.
Pattern or not, it is a law that exists to make experience possible.

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Quote:This feels the same way as an Atheist doesn't wish to question something that is more than obvious and will stand on their belief of disbelief even with clear evidence.
Belief of disbelief? Huh?
Meaning, believing something that is evident does not exist.

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Quote:The rules are there, the evidence is clear, the relative law is functioning as it is but one cannot question why and for what is it there for.
Pattern seeking nut.
There is no way you'll be able to think beyond your pattern seeking mind.
There is no way one could disprove the relative to have experience.

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Quote:It is there and you say don't look for the purpose but yet it is giving it's purpose clearly.
So you think thermal energy and lack of was put here for the sole purpose of us to experience them? You have any idea how insane that is? Only humans seem to have the delusion that everything requires a purpose. Special purpose and meaning happens to be one of our biggest delusions. And you have it!
I am saying it is evident that there is a law which makes experience possible.
After you see that. Try to understand what could experience.

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Quote:Again: This law is what makes experience possible or else one would know things conceptually.
No it doesn't. You haven't proven a bloody thing. Just try and prove that it was all put here for a 'special purpose' for us to experience.
OK ill try. What makes life possible besides the obvious biological make up and scientific explanation?
You need relative form.
Where is life? There is (or there should be) life in abundance throughout the universe.
What is it doing there? Experiencing itself.
What makes this possible? The relative makes this possible.
Then why does this realm exist? For experience to be possible.
Experience for what? Experience for anything that can experience.
What can experience? So far, all of life.

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Quote:Correct, and to experience Love and Joy you must know what you choose Love and Joy is by not choosing what makes your Sad.
That made no sense at all. In fact, the whole of your post made no sense at all.
I strongly advise you send yourself to an asylum. You need help.
They sent many great people to asylums and killed most of them all for expressing their harmless opinions.
Im in good company.

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#53
RE: Where do emotions such as Love from
Quote:Would you be dead without eyes for sight? Isn't eyes tools like the other senses that assist?
Eyes don't keep your brain functioning. They merely send signals to it. You can't compare a body's sense to the brains primary functions.

Quote:Tell me what made a chemical reaction exist then?
Our brain produces them. It's part of how animals function. Our brain functions on biomass (the brain itself), electricity that passes through it and chemicals. To be without either one of those would incur death.
Quote:What motivation brought forth the desire of life to experience itself then?
Nothing. Single celled lifeforms evolve to become more complex lifeforms. Our evolutionary purpose is to survive and pass on genes. Didn't like that answer did you? Tongue


Quote:What is so absurd about it?
You'll see.
Quote:It is obvious that everything here is relative.
No it isn't. Only to you.

Quote:It is obvious that you need the relative for experience to be experienced. Is this absurd?
Yes that's absurd.
Quote:It is obvious that the relative exists for something to be experienced.
No it's not obvious. You detect things based on what your senses tell you. Got nothing to do with opposites of anything.
Quote:It is obvious that life practices experiencing.
Nope, life practices evolution and the co-existence of other matter and energy.

Quote:It is obvious that this universe and this realm exists for anything that can experience to experience because it can and does so.
Nope. The universe exists by natural events. Got nothing to do with purpose.

Quote:Are these lies, baseless assumptions and absurdity?
Pretty much, yes.

Quote:Are you scared to see an evident law in your plain view?
Are you scared of a reality where there is no greater purpose to anything?

Quote:I don't know why this would upset you and behave unkind.

I think it's you who's upset.
Quote:What im sharing with you will be very difficult to disprove.
You haven't proven anything yet, there's nothing to disprove.

Quote:It was not meant for us to experience?
Nothing was ever 'meant' for us. We are just a collection of chemicals and atoms co-existing with other chemicals and atoms.
What? You starting to feel meaningless? Tongue
Quote:Us meaning we humans or all life that can experience?
All life.
Quote:Hmm. You are saying that life which can experience was not meant to experience?
There is no 'meant' in anything. We exist through natural events, not purpose.

Quote:So the universe exists in relative form which makes experience possible was not meant for anything that can experience simply experience?
Prove relative makes experience possible.
Quote:You call me delusional with this?
Damn right.

Quote:I challenge you to disprove that the relative exists then.
Pattern or not, it is a law that exists to make experience possible.
You see what I've bolded in your quote? That is a claim, a claim you've just made. The burden of proof is on you. I'm not claiming anything. I have so far only rejected your beliefs. I'm still waiting for you to back your claims up.

Quote:Meaning, believing something that is evident does not exist.
I didn't claim that it doesn't exist, I simply rejected the idea. Difference.

Quote:There is no way one could disprove the relative to have experience.
It hasn't even been proven yet. You've only asserted it, not proved it.

Quote:I am saying it is evident that there is a law which makes experience possible.
Prove it.

Quote:You need relative form.
Back that up.

Quote:Where is life? There is (or there should be) life in abundance throughout the universe.
I also think life is in abundance, just unknown of their location.
Quote:What is it doing there? Experiencing itself.
Existing, co-existing, evolving.

Quote:What makes this possible? The relative makes this possible.
Prove it.
Quote:Then why does this realm exist? For experience to be possible.
Back that up please.

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Well that was fun. Big Grin
Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence - Carl Sagan

Mankind's intelligence walks hand in hand with it's stupidity.

Being an atheist says nothing about your overall intelligence, it just means you don't believe in god. Atheists can be as bright as any scientist and as stupid as any creationist.

You never really know just how stupid someone is, until you've argued with them.
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#54
RE: Where do emotions such as Love from
Quote:
(June 18, 2011 at 9:33 am)Ace Otana Wrote: Would you be dead without eyes for sight? Isn't eyes tools like the other senses that assist?
Eyes don't keep your brain functioning. They merely send signals to it. You can't compare a body's sense to the brains primary functions.
You failed to understand my example here as you do with many others.
Your response is filled with false assumptions that don't even come close to understanding my questions.

Quote:
Quote:Tell me what made a chemical reaction exist then?
Our brain produces them. It's part of how animals function. Our brain functions on biomass (the brain itself), electricity that passes through it and chemicals. To be without either one of those would incur death.
Yes i understand this. Let me rephrase:
What makes a chemical reaction exist if there is no purpose?

Quote:
Quote:What motivation brought forth the desire of life to experience itself then?
Nothing. Single celled lifeforms evolve to become more complex lifeforms. Our evolutionary purpose is to survive and pass on genes. Didn't like that answer did you? Tongue
So wouldn't an evolutionary purpose to survive have motivation to survive?
What purpose would it have to survive if it has nothing to pursue?

Quote:
Quote:What is so absurd about it?
You'll see.
Nope. You will.

Quote:
Quote:It is obvious that everything here is relative.
No it isn't. Only to you.
Incorrect. No matter if it does not seem obvious to someone or something, relative is present here and everywhere.
I believe you do not understand what relative is.

Quote:
Quote:It is obvious that you need the relative for experience to be experienced. Is this absurd?
Yes that's absurd.
Incorrect. It is logical and evident. It cannot be denied and only misunderstood.

Quote:
Quote:It is obvious that the relative exists for something to be experienced.
No it's not obvious. You detect things based on what your senses tell you. Got nothing to do with opposites of anything.
Again i see you fail to understand what relative is. It is similar to being dichotomous.
Detecting something is a different subject though it can be related.

Quote:
Quote:It is obvious that life practices experiencing.
Nope, life practices evolution and the co-existence of other matter and energy.
Not quite. Life that practices evolution and the co-existence of other matter and energy experiences this process thus practices experience.
If you don't experience adaptation, co-existence of other matter and energy then that process of knowledge would only be conceptual.

Quote:
Quote:It is obvious that this universe and this realm exists for anything that can experience to experience because it can and does so.
Nope. The universe exists by natural events. Got nothing to do with purpose.
How would it exists by natural events if there was no purpose to create them natural events?

Quote:
Quote:Are these lies, baseless assumptions and absurdity?
Pretty much, yes.
Yet your explanations make more sense with nothing that could explain them?

Quote:
Quote:Are you scared to see an evident law in your plain view?
Are you scared of a reality where there is no greater purpose to anything?
If there was no greater purpose to anything then why would one care?

Quote:
Quote:I don't know why this would upset you and behave unkind.

I think it's you who's upset.
Incorrect. There is nothing i am upset about here.
I have been trying (like always) to remain kind while sharing my views unlike others.

Quote:
Quote:What im sharing with you will be very difficult to disprove.
You haven't proven anything yet, there's nothing to disprove.

I have certainly proven that you do not understand what a relative universe or realm is.

Quote:
Quote:It was not meant for us to experience?
Nothing was ever 'meant' for us. We are just a collection of chemicals and atoms co-existing with other chemicals and atoms.
What? You starting to feel meaningless? Tongue
If nothing was meant for us then why do we have the ability to experience the relative?
Your perception of things as you describe are meaningless which includes your own existence.

Quote:
Quote:Hmm. You are saying that life which can experience was not meant to experience?
There is no 'meant' in anything. We exist through natural events, not purpose.
Fair enough then.
Explain then how natural events exist in a relative realm that makes experience possible.
Then explain how experience has no purpose.

Quote:
Quote:So the universe exists in relative form which makes experience possible was not meant for anything that can experience simply experience?
Prove relative makes experience possible.

Here it is again ill use cold as the begining example:

If everything everywhere was only cold how would you know what cold is if that is all there is?
Your knowledge of it would be conceptual because you don't know what is "not" cold.
So you cannot experience cold without knowing what is "not" cold.

This is because to know what is cold, is to know what cold is "not" so thus the relative law come into play.

A Relative Realm which gives energy its form (like here and there) so experience may be possible.

If everything was just here then where would be there?
I would only know here and there as a concept because everything would be only here.
I wouldn't be able to experience here and there if everything was just here.

This why the relative realm exists. To make experience possible for life.

If you still do not see it then tell me how experience is possible.

Quote:
Quote:You call me delusional with this?
Damn right.

Quote:I challenge you to disprove that the relative exists then.
Pattern or not, it is a law that exists to make experience possible.
You see what I've bolded in your quote? That is a claim, a claim you've just made. The burden of proof is on you. I'm not claiming anything. I have so far only rejected your beliefs. I'm still waiting for you to back your claims up.

Quote:Meaning, believing something that is evident does not exist.
I didn't claim that it doesn't exist, I simply rejected the idea. Difference.

Quote:There is no way one could disprove the relative to have experience.
It hasn't even been proven yet. You've only asserted it, not proved it.

Quote:I am saying it is evident that there is a law which makes experience possible.
Prove it.

Quote:You need relative form.
Back that up.

Quote:Where is life? There is (or there should be) life in abundance throughout the universe.
I also think life is in abundance, just unknown of their location.
Quote:What is it doing there? Experiencing itself.
Existing, co-existing, evolving.

Quote:What makes this possible? The relative makes this possible.
Prove it.
Quote:Then why does this realm exist? For experience to be possible.
Back that up please.

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I think my last answer above, answers all of these.
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#55
RE: Where do emotions such as Love from
(June 17, 2011 at 2:55 pm)Ace Otana Wrote: No to experience joy like a hot female school teacher being fingered by another hot female teacher is where her hormones are very active and certain touching of sensitive sexual organs will send signals to the brains pleasure centre that releases chemicals that cause.....joy! Big Grin

Got a thing for teachers have we ace!Cool Shades



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#56
RE: Where do emotions such as Love from
Quote:You failed to understand my example here as you do with many others.
Your response is filled with false assumptions that don't even come close to understanding my questions.
I responded to the question at hand. Don't even bother trying to evade it.


Quote:What makes a chemical reaction exist if there is no purpose?
Uncollected matter and energy. We consume food, that food is transferred throughout the body and the brain produces them. Don't need a purpose in order to exist.

Quote:So wouldn't an evolutionary purpose to survive have motivation to survive?
Motivation? More along the lines of following nature. Good try with the deviation there.
Quote:What purpose would it have to survive if it has nothing to pursue?
Pass on genes for the next generation. That's about it. Why? You think life needs a special purpose or something?

Quote:Nope. You will.
Still waiting for it though aren't I?

Quote:I believe you do not understand what relative is.
I believe you don't understand what reality is.

Quote:Incorrect. It is logical and evident. It cannot be denied and only misunderstood.
Uh-huh. [Image: lol-044.gif]

Quote:Detecting something is a different subject though it can be related.
No, it's on topic. Your just deviating a little here.

Quote:Not quite. Life that practices evolution and the co-existence of other matter and energy experiences this process thus practices experience.
If you don't experience adaptation, co-existence of other matter and energy then that process of knowledge would only be conceptual.
If life couldn't detect and adapt to it's environment, it would never need to evolve. There is no concept in evolution, only mutation.

Quote:How would it exists by natural events if there was no purpose to create them natural events?
The universe doesn't need a purpose to exist.

Quote:Yet your explanations make more sense with nothing that could explain them?
It's not like your making any sense.

Quote:If there was no greater purpose to anything then why would one care?
Because we are sapient and we desire to be more than we are. Tongue

Quote:I have certainly proven that you do not understand what a relative universe or realm is.
Enlighten me.

Quote:If nothing was meant for us then why do we have the ability to experience the relative?
Don't you mean our natural environment? We can "experience" our environment because it's required for our existence. No special purpose.

Quote:Your perception of things as you describe are meaningless which includes your own existence.
I'm ok with that. Tongue

Quote:Fair enough then.
Explain then how natural events exist in a relative realm that makes experience possible.
In a relative realm? Thought you were the one to blab on about that bit?
Quote:Then explain how experience has no purpose.
It's utterly meaningless. It's not about purpose. I experience heat and cold because I can detect them. Simple as. No law or greater purpose required.


Quote:If everything everywhere was only cold how would you know what cold is if that is all there is?
My body's temperature functions at 37 degrees Celsius. If my body detected temperatures greater than that, then I'll experience heat without having to first experience cold.
I'm working with everything you mentioned.
There is no purpose to heat or cold. They are natural states of energy. That's all.

Quote:Your knowledge of it would be conceptual because you don't know what is "not" cold.
Knowing of hot or cold is simply being aware of different energy states. Where's that big special purpose bit supposed to come in? Different energy states are there not simply for us to experience, but are there by nature.
You have the delusion that there's a purpose to everything, when in fact, hardly anything has a purpose to it. This universe was not made for us.

Quote:I would only know here and there as a concept because everything would be only here.
So being aware of distance involves a purpose as well does it?

Quote:This why the relative realm exists. To make experience possible for life.
It makes no sense at all mate. You have confused natural states of energy and space with the need for purpose. That's all you've really done.
Debunked! Tongue

Quote:If you still do not see it then tell me how experience is possible.
Being able to detect different energy states. Energy states that are governed by laws of nature.

Quote:I think my last answer above, answers all of these.
Oh good, because I've just blew'em apart.
Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence - Carl Sagan

Mankind's intelligence walks hand in hand with it's stupidity.

Being an atheist says nothing about your overall intelligence, it just means you don't believe in god. Atheists can be as bright as any scientist and as stupid as any creationist.

You never really know just how stupid someone is, until you've argued with them.
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#57
RE: Where do emotions such as Love from
(June 17, 2011 at 9:22 pm)Lord Illicious Wrote:


To be honest this post seems just like pseudo-intellectual masturbation without any actual substance. Plus, I fucking hate colors because I am color-blind. Being color-blind however, let's me know how fallible my senses are and not to take anything for granted, which you seem to think is a good thing. The human brain is a magnificently delusional and fallible organ, so to say something exists because you experience it is delusional on the magnitude of any other beliefs that humans cling to.
Even if the open windows of science at first make us shiver after the cozy indoor warmth of traditional humanizing myths, in the end the fresh air brings vigor, and the great spaces have a splendor of their own - Bertrand Russell
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#58
RE: Where do emotions such as Love from
Ace Otana Wrote:You failed to understand my example here as you do with many others.
Your response is filled with false assumptions that don't even come close to understanding my questions.
I responded to the question at hand. Don't even bother trying to evade it.[/quote]
Yes, responding to many questions with false assumptions not even staying on its topic.

Quote:
Quote:What makes a chemical reaction exist if there is no purpose?
Uncollected matter and energy. We consume food, that food is transferred throughout the body and the brain produces them. Don't need a purpose in order to exist.
It still does not and will never give a reasonable explanation as to why "uncollected matter and energy" was there in the first place.

Quote:
Quote:So wouldn't an evolutionary purpose to survive have motivation to survive?
Motivation? More along the lines of following nature. Good try with the deviation there.
Lets put it up again and see where the deviation is:
This is from you:
Quote:Single celled lifeforms evolve to become more complex lifeforms. Our evolutionary purpose is to survive and pass on genes.
So wouldn't an evolutionary purpose to survive have motivation to survive?
Words in bold that you have used which say "evolutionary purpose to survive" and then i responded with my question.
Now its following nature you say?
So here is a new question:
What would make or motivate life to survive or follow nature?

Quote:
Quote:What purpose would it have to survive if it has nothing to pursue?
Pass on genes for the next generation. That's about it. Why? You think life needs a special purpose or something?
So it does have a purpose and that purpose is to survive right?
Now life has a purpose but it is not special. Your own words.

Quote:
Quote:Nope. You will.
Still waiting for it though aren't I?
I guess. Im here to help and share. Most of my wait is over.

Quote:
Quote:I believe you do not understand what relative is.
I believe you don't understand what reality is.
I can describe what laws this reality holds and how it is used which i have done and will do again.
This reality is basically made of space and energy with relative law.

Quote:
Quote:Detecting something is a different subject though it can be related.
No, it's on topic. Your just deviating a little here.

Lets go back again:

My comment:
Quote:It is obvious that the relative exists for something to be experienced.
Your response with deviation:
Quote: No it's not obvious. You detect things based on what your senses tell you. Got nothing to do with opposites of anything.
Detecting and experiencing is different. What your senses tell you from the detection becomes "knowing" it as you said it tells you, so to tell you something you may know it.
To experience it then obviously you need the relative of it or else it will remain as conceptual.
Thus my response:
Quote:Again i see you fail to understand what relative is. It is similar to being dichotomous. Detecting something is a different subject though it can be related.


My comment:
Quote:Not quite. Life that practices evolution and the co-existence of other matter and energy experiences this process thus practices experience.
If you don't experience adaptation, co-existence of other matter and energy then that process of knowledge would only be conceptual.

Quote:If life couldn't detect and adapt to it's environment, it would never need to evolve.
Hmm yea it makes sense and i agree but it seems you didn't understand my comment above.

Quote:There is no concept in evolution, only mutation.
If evolution involves experience then it first has to seek to know which becomes a concept before the experience.

Here is a brief explanation of it from the The Yoga Sutras of Patanjali:
"Evolution involves experience, the assimilation of experience, and the
transformation (consequential elevation) of one’s consciousness."


Good lord. Mutation?
So far these are the facts you have stated that are tied together:
Natural events occurring with mutating life which have evolutionary purpose to survive which also follows nature.

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Quote:
Quote:How would it exists by natural events if there was no purpose to create them natural events?
The universe doesn't need a purpose to exist.
So would that mean the natural events don't need a purpose to exist?

Is life a natural event?

Quote:
Quote:Yet your explanations make more sense with nothing that could explain them?
It's not like your making any sense.
I guess life and the universe doesn't make sense. Do they?

Quote:
Quote:If there was no greater purpose to anything then why would one care?
Because we are sapient and we desire to be more than we are. Tongue
Key word here "desire".
What does life do then? Mutate to be more than what it is or does it desire it?

Quote:
Quote:I have certainly proven that you do not understand what a relative universe or realm is.
Enlighten me.
Lets try again then with some imagination to better understand how relative work if you will:

If everything was all "here" and there was no "there" then energy couldn't have physical form.
Now lets say this energy exists as a concept which can then conceptualize itself with all forms and no form because it is conceptual.
This means conceptually it has a here form, a here and there form, all forms and a no form.

What would this energy need to experience itself with physical form?
Here it is:
It would need both here and there to be present.
It would need both here and there to exist .
It would need it's relative to define itself and vice versa.
What do i mean it needs it's relative?
The relative of here is there. Why? Because here is what is not there.
So then they would define each other.
Now when energy takes form with both here and there present (the relative) it then receives the experience of it's form.
This is what makes physical form and experience possible which is the relative.
The Relative Realm.
Get it?

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Quote:If nothing was meant for us then why do we have the ability to experience the relative?
Don't you mean our natural environment? We can "experience" our environment because it's required for our existence. No special purpose.
Yes but you didn't understand my question.

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Quote:Your perception of things as you describe are meaningless which includes your own existence.
I'm ok with that. Tongue
Well i desire you and everyone to be much more than meaningless. Is that a bad thing even if it seems silly?

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Quote:Fair enough then.
Explain then how natural events exist in a relative realm that makes experience possible.
In a relative realm? Thought you were the one to blab on about that bit?
Quote:Then explain how experience has no purpose.
It's utterly meaningless. It's not about purpose. I experience heat and cold because I can detect them. Simple as. No law or greater purpose required.


Quote:If everything everywhere was only cold how would you know what cold is if that is all there is?
My body's temperature functions at 37 degrees Celsius. If my body detected temperatures greater than that, then I'll experience heat without having to first experience cold.
I'm working with everything you mentioned.
There is no purpose to heat or cold. They are natural states of energy. That's all.

Quote:Your knowledge of it would be conceptual because you don't know what is "not" cold.
Knowing of hot or cold is simply being aware of different energy states. Where's that big special purpose bit supposed to come in? Different energy states are there not simply for us to experience, but are there by nature.
You have the delusion that there's a purpose to everything, when in fact, hardly anything has a purpose to it. This universe was not made for us.

Quote:I would only know here and there as a concept because everything would be only here.
So being aware of distance involves a purpose as well does it?

Quote:This why the relative realm exists. To make experience possible for life.
It makes no sense at all mate. You have confused natural states of energy and space with the need for purpose. That's all you've really done.
Debunked! Tongue

Quote:If you still do not see it then tell me how experience is possible.
Being able to detect different energy states. Energy states that are governed by laws of nature.

Quote:I think my last answer above, answers all of these.
Oh good, because I've just blew'em apart.
Ill use my answer above explaining the relative for the rest of this.

(June 18, 2011 at 3:26 pm)FaithNoMore Wrote: To be honest this post seems just like pseudo-intellectual masturbation without any actual substance. Plus, I fucking hate colors because I am color-blind. Being color-blind however, let's me know how fallible my senses are and not to take anything for granted, which you seem to think is a good thing. The human brain is a magnificently delusional and fallible organ, so to say something exists because you experience it is delusional on the magnitude of any other beliefs that humans cling to.

Im sorry you feel that way. So if that is your perception of the human brain then by what you said, nothing can exist.

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RE: Where do emotions such as Love from
You are unbelievable. If I keep this up, I'll go bald. So I'm calling it. Agree to disagree.
Believe what you want, whatever floats your boat. Maybe someone else can argue with you. So far, you've made absolutely no sense at all, and I can't bring myself to try anymore.
I'm sticking to Occam's razer.

I'm off. Tongue
Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence - Carl Sagan

Mankind's intelligence walks hand in hand with it's stupidity.

Being an atheist says nothing about your overall intelligence, it just means you don't believe in god. Atheists can be as bright as any scientist and as stupid as any creationist.

You never really know just how stupid someone is, until you've argued with them.
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RE: Where do emotions such as Love from
(June 18, 2011 at 6:38 pm)Ace Otana Wrote: You are unbelievable. If I keep this up, I'll go bald. So I'm calling it. Agree to disagree.
Believe what you want, whatever floats your boat. Maybe someone else can argue with you. So far, you've made absolutely no sense at all, and I can't bring myself to try anymore.
I'm sticking to Occam's razer.

I'm off. Tongue
I am very sorry.

My research here is done anyway so ill leave.

Peace out friend.


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