Quick Poll - Do you believe in God?

[Longhorn]

What?

Or alternatively



possibly both

[Alex K]

O I C

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Can you try a bit harder and show me the mind?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7WL5l3XgFgc

[Tonus]

Oh, well in this case i will have to repeat what i just said yesterday to IATIA.

Why? It's nonsense. Repeating it doesn't make it any less so.

Why do we have to think things through? Because it's how our brains work. There's no mystery there. You can insert as many metaphysical parts as you want, but the brain works just fine without them. The more researchers learn, the more they understand that the mind is a function of the brain and not in any way separate from it. So why would you tell us something that doesn't make sense the first time, much less repeat it?

[IATIA]

Oh, well in this case i will have to repeat what i just said yesterday to IATIA.

Why?  It's nonsense.  Repeating it doesn't make it any less so.

I just reread it a couple more times and still cannot make heads or tails of his reply.  I think he needs a better translator.  It also suggests that he really does not comprehend our responses very well.

[Little Rik]

O I C

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Can you try a bit harder and show me the mind?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7WL5l3XgFgc

Very nice colors but i still can't see the mind.
Can you try a bit bit harder? 

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Oh, well in this case i will have to repeat what i just said yesterday to IATIA.

Why?  It's nonsense.  Repeating it doesn't make it any less so.

Actually you should blame yourself for saying things that don't make any sense.
All i do is to remind you of your lack of reasoning when you say.....It's pretty easy to get anything in life.
I point out to you that if it would be easy then you should act like a computer or a calculator in which the answer
pop up in no time with no need to think.
You can't therefore your statement is pure rubbish that is why i repeat the same thing that you did not comprehended
in the first place. 

Why do we have to think things through?  Because it's how our brains work.  There's no mystery there.  You can insert as many metaphysical parts as you want, but the brain works just fine without them.

I never said that there is something wrong with our brain.
As you say......it's how our brains work........
This reinforce the fact that you are dead wrong when you say that everything is easy.
It is always hard work to do anything in life whether it is related to think or any other physical task.
So once again you contradict yourself.

The more researchers learn, the more they understand that the mind is a function of the brain and not in any way separate from it.  So why would you tell us something that doesn't make sense the first time, much less repeat it?

Bullshit.
All the researches have so far find out is that brain and mind are connected to each other.
One can not do without the other.
That does not mean that the mind is a function of the brain.
It is more likely that is the other way around.
The brain is pure matter while the consciousness is something much more greater so to say that the
small is superior to the big is none but a demented idea.
Sorry Ton but you fail once again. 

[Tonus]

Actually you should blame yourself for saying things that don't make any sense.
All i do is to remind you of your lack of reasoning when you say.....It's pretty easy to get anything in life.

I am pointing out how vacuous that statement is. It is, in fact, easy to get anything in life. A drink of water, for example. Quite easy to get. Your poor communication skills are not my problem, but they do impede your attempts to get any sort of point across. And your unwillingness to accept correction or clarification of your points simply leads you to dig in deeper on the silly things you say, which leads to even sillier statements.

This reinforce the fact that you are dead wrong when you say that everything is easy.

I didn't say everything is easy. I said it's easy to get anything. I can easily explain what I meant, as I did above. You don't even seem to understand what you wrote, much less explain it coherently. As I keep pointing out, this is not my problem, it is yours.

All the researches have so far find out is that brain and mind are connected to each other.

They have found much more than that. They are mapping the brain's functions and learning where all of the centers of its activity are located... including the mind.

One can not do without the other.

Without the brain, there is no mind. You may claim otherwise because it fits your outmoded beliefs, but wanting something to be true is insufficient.

That does not mean that the mind is a function of the brain.

That is exactly what it means. We know that damaging certain parts of the brain can cause behavioral changes in people, which means that parts of the mind are located in specific regions of the brain. In other words, our mind is not one single cohesive entity: it is an amalgam of parts working together, usually efficiently but with quirks. But often the loss or damage of one part affects us in ways that are noticeable, and even if one part isn't working right it can cause psychological problems. A person may be suffering from a delusion of some kind, but otherwise appear normal because most of the mind is working normally while one part is not. As we keep learning more and more about the human mind, people like you will have to become more stubborn and more resistant to reality in order to continue to promote your beliefs. But stubbornness and ignorance do not make your beliefs true.

[IATIA]

All the researches have so far find out is that brain and mind are connected to each other.
One can not do without the other.

Wrong! Wrong! Wrong!

Let us start with where does your mind go while you are asleep?

[Little Rik]

I am off to work soon so i will answer to all your points fast.
The brain is not a car of course but nevertheless is a vehicle.
A vehicle that carry a passenger.
The atheistic idea that the consciousness mind is a product of the brain will
have sooner or later be smashed in pieces.
The human being build up the vehicle not the other way around.
The brain is made of matter and the matter can not possibly build up the consciousness mind.
The two as far as the body is alive are connected to each other as the driver and the car would
allow the vehicle to move so so far one can not do anything without the other.
Does this means that when the vehicle rot down also the driver rot down?
What would you do when your car fail?
Would you fail and die with your car?
You never thought about it guys, did you?
All you will do is leave your rotting car and buy a new car in order to carry on toward the goal.
This has already been experiences by thousand of NDEs beside be part of billion of people who believe in reincarnation.
I am afraid that as soon as physical science will work together with intuitional science and will find out that the brain is a 
product of the consciousness mind all atheistic ideas will be shredded in pieces. 

[Whateverist]

Bullshit.

What?! How dare you come on a fine atheist site like this with such a potty mouth? I am seriously offended as well as disappointed.

[Tonus]

The atheistic idea that the consciousness mind is a product of the brain will
have sooner or later be smashed in pieces.

That is not an "atheistic idea" it is the result of research into the brain and mind.  Thus it is not the new findings that will be "smashed in pieces" but the old assumptions that you are insisting are true.  We will undoubtedly learn new things that will change some of our current understanding, but the fact that the mind is a function of the brain will not.  That cat is out of the bag.  As for NDEs, I know that in another topic I quoted a portion of a book by Dave McRaney where he explained that we have ways to "induce" NDEs in people who are not near death.  Which means that we're getting closer and closer to understanding what NDEs are and how/why they happen.  Which means another of your precious mysteries will be solved, and will not required any metaphysics or spiritual woo.