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Why atheism is a belief.
#31
RE: Why atheism is a belief.
(December 6, 2011 at 10:42 pm)AthiestAtheist Wrote:
(December 6, 2011 at 10:33 pm)JoopWoop Wrote: tahh daahh. I think you might have got it.

You're asking for unobtainable evidence.
You have no evidence, then why should I believe? Without evidence the odds of God existing essentially drop to 0.

What valid alternatives do you have? And if you don't have any, why negate without evidence to do so?
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#32
RE: Why atheism is a belief.
(December 6, 2011 at 10:33 pm)JoopWoop Wrote: Your post may as well read:
"No we're not objective and logical, only anything we say and believe is."
Are you really that far gone that you fail to see the hypocrisy in that?

The sad thing some atheists seem to think they have a higher level of intelligence when they fail to see their own flaws.

Where did I refer to a 'we'?
Reading comprehension fail.

Next time, respond to what I wrote and not what you apparently wanted to respond to.

(December 6, 2011 at 10:45 pm)JoopWoop Wrote: What valid alternatives do you have? And if you don't have any, why negate without evidence to do so?

Here's one:
Reality. Thanks to science, we've found out that reality disagrees with a literal interpretation of your silly fictional book.
If today you can take a thing like evolution and make it a crime to teach in the public schools, tomorrow you can make it a crime to teach it in the private schools and next year you can make it a crime to teach it to the hustings or in the church. At the next session you may ban books and the newspapers...
Ignorance and fanaticism are ever busy and need feeding. Always feeding and gloating for more. Today it is the public school teachers; tomorrow the private. The next day the preachers and the lecturers, the magazines, the books, the newspapers. After a while, Your Honor, it is the setting of man against man and creed against creed until with flying banners and beating drums we are marching backward to the glorious ages of the sixteenth centry when bigots lighted fagots to burn the men who dared to bring any intelligence and enlightenment and culture to the human mind. ~Clarence Darrow, at the Scopes Monkey Trial, 1925

Politics is supposed to be the second-oldest profession. I have come to realize that it bears a very close resemblance to the first. ~Ronald Reagan
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#33
RE: Why atheism is a belief.
Hey, you're the one who asked what would constitute evidence. All I was asking for was, to borrow your phraseology, obtainable evidence. Prayer, as promised in your holy book, would produce a tangible real-world effect, which could then be tested. If you don't want to provide any evidence that's perfectly fine by me. I'm perfectly happy to have it on record that I didn't ask for anything that you ought to consider unreasonable, at least according to your own scripture.
At the age of five, Skagra decided emphatically that God did not exist.  This revelation tends to make most people in the universe who have it react in one of two ways - with relief or with despair.  Only Skagra responded to it by thinking, 'Wait a second.  That means there's a situation vacant.'
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#34
RE: Why atheism is a belief.
(December 6, 2011 at 10:45 pm)JoopWoop Wrote: What valid alternatives do you have? And if you don't have any, why negate without evidence to do so?
Alternative to what, exactly? No alternative is required. That is a major burden of proof fallacy. You are claiming something without proof, and without proof, there is no justification for belief.
"Sisters, you know only the north; I have traveled in the south lands. There are churches there, believe me, that cut their children too, as the people of Bolvangar did--not in the same way, but just as horribly. They cut their sexual organs, yes, both boys and girls; they cut them with knives so that they shan't feel. That is what the Church does, and every church is the same: control, destroy, obliterate every good feeling. So if a war comes, and the Church is on one side of it, we must be on the other, no matter what strange allies we find ourselves bound to."

-Ruta Skadi, The Subtle Knife
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#35
RE: Why atheism is a belief.
(December 6, 2011 at 10:46 pm)TheDarkestOfAngels Wrote:
(December 6, 2011 at 10:33 pm)JoopWoop Wrote: Your post may as well read:
"No we're not objective and logical, only anything we say and believe is."
Are you really that far gone that you fail to see the hypocrisy in that?

The sad thing some atheists seem to think they have a higher level of intelligence when they fail to see their own flaws.

Where did I refer to a 'we'?
Reading comprehension fail.

Next time, respond to what I wrote and not what you apparently wanted to respond to.

(December 6, 2011 at 10:45 pm)JoopWoop Wrote: What valid alternatives do you have? And if you don't have any, why negate without evidence to do so?

Here's one:
Reality. Thanks to science, we've found out that reality disagrees with a literal interpretation of your silly fictional book.

Ok got it, you're not very bright.




(December 6, 2011 at 11:03 pm)AthiestAtheist Wrote:
(December 6, 2011 at 10:45 pm)JoopWoop Wrote: What valid alternatives do you have? And if you don't have any, why negate without evidence to do so?
Alternative to what, exactly? No alternative is required. That is a major burden of proof fallacy. You are claiming something without proof, and without proof, there is no justification for belief.

So no explanation for existence is required? It's safe to assume that existence simply is, no proof required. Somehow this isn't a belief, but do tell me more.
Geez usually atheists at least tend to be smarter than the average idiot. WTF happened here?
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#36
RE: Why atheism is a belief.
(December 6, 2011 at 11:18 pm)JoopWoop Wrote: So no explanation for existence is required? It's safe to assume that existence simply is, no proof required. Somehow this isn't a belief, but do tell me more.
Saying that existence requires an explanation is a belief, I am simply not saying that it requires an explanation, but that is irrelevant. You keep changing the subject, so I ask you to read this again:

You are claiming something without proof, and without proof, there is no justification for belief.

Instead of running around calling people stupid, you could instead try, I don't know... thinking!
"Sisters, you know only the north; I have traveled in the south lands. There are churches there, believe me, that cut their children too, as the people of Bolvangar did--not in the same way, but just as horribly. They cut their sexual organs, yes, both boys and girls; they cut them with knives so that they shan't feel. That is what the Church does, and every church is the same: control, destroy, obliterate every good feeling. So if a war comes, and the Church is on one side of it, we must be on the other, no matter what strange allies we find ourselves bound to."

-Ruta Skadi, The Subtle Knife
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#37
RE: Why atheism is a belief.
(December 6, 2011 at 11:30 pm)AthiestAtheist Wrote:
(December 6, 2011 at 11:18 pm)JoopWoop Wrote: So no explanation for existence is required? It's safe to assume that existence simply is, no proof required. Somehow this isn't a belief, but do tell me more.
Saying that existence requires an explanation is a belief, I am simply not saying that it requires an explanation, but that is irrelevant. You keep changing the subject, so I ask you to read this again:

You are claiming something without proof, and without proof, there is no justification for belief.

Instead of running around calling people stupid, you could instead try, I don't know... thinking!



Yes everything requires nothing. I haven't claimed anything, yet you claim I have. I just remain open to the possibility in the absence of proof either way, yet the 'thinking' position requires negation without justification as "Saying that existence requires an explanation is a belief."

This makes no sense whatsoever.
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#38
RE: Why atheism is a belief.
But you see, the fact that we find no evidence of thought in his posts cannot be used as evidence that there is no thought: Ergo, he must really think profoundly because we cannot understand him.

More rubbish from the wasteland lovers of monorailism.
Trying to update my sig ...
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#39
RE: Why atheism is a belief.
(December 6, 2011 at 11:40 pm)Epimethean Wrote: But you see, the fact that we find no evidence of thought in his posts cannot be used as evidence that there is no thought: Ergo, he must really think profoundly because we cannot understand him.

More rubbish from the wasteland lovers of monorailism.
Lolz0rz! That must totally be his thinking! Hilarious


Also, monorailism isn't a word.
"Sisters, you know only the north; I have traveled in the south lands. There are churches there, believe me, that cut their children too, as the people of Bolvangar did--not in the same way, but just as horribly. They cut their sexual organs, yes, both boys and girls; they cut them with knives so that they shan't feel. That is what the Church does, and every church is the same: control, destroy, obliterate every good feeling. So if a war comes, and the Church is on one side of it, we must be on the other, no matter what strange allies we find ourselves bound to."

-Ruta Skadi, The Subtle Knife
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#40
RE: Why atheism is a belief.
(December 6, 2011 at 11:18 pm)JoopWoop Wrote: Ok got it, you're not very bright.
Ah, you say that as though your criticism matters.

You've talked a great deal about how intelligent you are and yet you present points you yourself won't even bother to defend despite the fact that, as you say, you make such great sport in making us look like idiots.
Well, you've talked a big game and failed to deliver. You've presented your points and when push came to shove, your really best method of arguing your position is to hurl insults.

No one is impressed. In short...

(December 6, 2011 at 11:18 pm)JoopWoop Wrote: Geez usually atheists at least tend to be smarter than the average idiot. WTF happened here?
Ladies and gentlemen, I present to you, the amazing JoopWoop, otherwise known as the man who has nothing to excuse himself from his own idiocy. He can't defend his own points, so he has now stooped to the lowest common denominator. Calling everyone stupid.
If today you can take a thing like evolution and make it a crime to teach in the public schools, tomorrow you can make it a crime to teach it in the private schools and next year you can make it a crime to teach it to the hustings or in the church. At the next session you may ban books and the newspapers...
Ignorance and fanaticism are ever busy and need feeding. Always feeding and gloating for more. Today it is the public school teachers; tomorrow the private. The next day the preachers and the lecturers, the magazines, the books, the newspapers. After a while, Your Honor, it is the setting of man against man and creed against creed until with flying banners and beating drums we are marching backward to the glorious ages of the sixteenth centry when bigots lighted fagots to burn the men who dared to bring any intelligence and enlightenment and culture to the human mind. ~Clarence Darrow, at the Scopes Monkey Trial, 1925

Politics is supposed to be the second-oldest profession. I have come to realize that it bears a very close resemblance to the first. ~Ronald Reagan
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