(August 20, 2015 at 11:18 pm)Randy Carson Wrote: An empty claim, Mike, but a common one. Folks say, "I tried discussing this with you but..." and then they cut and run.

Yeah. But I'm still here.

Still being there doesn't mean you're any good at discussion.

(August 20, 2015 at 11:45 pm)Randy Carson Wrote: If people keep SAYING that, maybe it's just a convenient dodge.

Come now, Steel. Randy may have a point here. After all, is there anyone you can think of who's better qualified to recognize a dodge?

(August 21, 2015 at 9:57 am)SnakeOilWarrior Wrote:

(August 20, 2015 at 11:45 pm)Randy Carson Wrote: If people keep SAYING that, maybe it's just a convenient dodge.

Come now, Steel. Randy may have a point here. After all, is there anyone you can think of who's better qualified to recognize a dodge?

Yep. I'm dodging the inevitable. I see him do the same thing over and over again in every single conversation he's having, and yet I'm supposed to believe this time he'll really engage and not obfuscate and muddy the waters and dodge any culpability for the things his Church is responsible for.

He is the absolute case study for apologetics being perfectly masturbatory. It doesn't matter that not a single person here is influenced or swayed in the least by his cookie cutter rhetoric. All that matters is that Randy's ego is massaged and he says something that allows him to internally claim victory, then externalize that, for everyone's benefit. We all get to laugh at the delusion.

A page straight out of Sye Ten's book.

(August 21, 2015 at 1:17 pm)SteelCurtain Wrote:

(August 21, 2015 at 9:57 am)SnakeOilWarrior Wrote: Come now, Steel. Randy may have a point here. After all, is there anyone you can think of who's better qualified to recognize a dodge?

Yep. I'm dodging the inevitable. I see him do the same thing over and over again in every single conversation he's having, and yet I'm supposed to believe this time he'll really engage and not obfuscate and muddy the waters and dodge any culpability for the things his Church is responsible for.

He is the absolute case study for apologetics being perfectly masturbatory. It doesn't matter that not a single person here is influenced or swayed in the least by his cookie cutter rhetoric. All that matters is that Randy's ego is massaged and he says something that allows him to internally claim victory, then externalize that, for everyone's benefit. We all get to laugh at the delusion.

You may be right, of course.

Alternatively, it might be that the reason you haven't engaged some of my arguments is because you don't want to lose face in front of your little posse here.

Randy's Guide To Making Friends:

Step 1. Insult everyone in the room....

(August 21, 2015 at 3:01 pm)Neimenovic Wrote: Randy's Guide To Making Friends:

Step 1. Insult everyone in the room....

I didn't start that way in the beginning...I had to adjust to the overall tone of the group dynamics.

Neither did Catholic Lady come to think of it.

This place is toxic.

(August 21, 2015 at 3:07 pm)Randy Carson Wrote:

(August 21, 2015 at 3:01 pm)Neimenovic Wrote: Randy's Guide To Making Friends:

Step 1. Insult everyone in the room....

I didn't start that way in the beginning...I had to adjust to the overall tone of the group dynamics.

Neither did Catholic Lady come to think of it.

This place is toxic.

Eeyup. And you're making it so much less 'toxic' with your purposefully inflammatory comments.

Yes, definitely. It's not you, your dishonesty, arrogance or attitude, we're just 'toxic'. Your compulsive need to assert your superiority has nothing to do with it, is all other people's fault.

It's funny how we have such radically different experiences in the same community. But it couldn't possibly be caused by your behavior, right? Naw that's crazy talk

I actually feel bad that you can't interact with us in a more friendly way, but you seem to be set on making it worse for yourself and hey, who am I stop you?

(August 21, 2015 at 2:55 pm)Randy Carson Wrote: Alternatively, it might be that the reason you haven't engaged some of my arguments is because you don't want to lose face in front of your little posse here.

If it helps you to think that, I'm okay with it. No skin off my back. I'm not nearly as concerned with what others think as you clearly are.

(August 21, 2015 at 3:07 pm)Randy Carson Wrote: This place is toxic.

Only to those who refuse to get the fuck off their high horse.