(August 21, 2015 at 7:34 pm)NoFaith2Burn4 Wrote: Your patron saint Peter is still a murderous thug. [/size]

I'm not known to be in Randy's fanclub, but based on what was Peter a murderous thug?

And if he's supposed to be one, he's on the same lines as Freddy Krueger. Prove that he even existed for starters.

I'm late to the party again, and I see it went into a tailspin.
Let me get this straight... Randy is an atheist ex catholic and is standing up for them?
Are you SERIOUS?

By the way Randy, what part of "Because you have kept the word of my patience- I will keep you from (eck- out of) the hour of testing that is coming on the whole world"  that is in the bible, do you not understand?
Or,
"I tell you a mystery- we shall not all sleep (die), in a moment- at the last trump, the dead shall rise first and WE which remain shall be caught up together with them in the air.."
Catholicism does not accept biblical statements like that because someone among them might recognize their organization as the whore of Babylon that she is.

Haha Oh fuck yes.

(August 21, 2015 at 7:43 pm)abaris Wrote:

(August 21, 2015 at 7:34 pm)NoFaith2Burn4 Wrote: Your patron saint Peter is still a murderous thug. [/size]

I'm not known to be in Randy's fanclub, but based on what was Peter a murderous thug?

And if he's supposed to be one, he's on the same lines as Freddy Krueger. Prove that he even existed for starters.

I'm not studied enough to offer proof on Peter's existence, but you know it was somebody who led the first church. He is said to be buried in the Vatican, and those who succeeded him were regarded as Popes, not that his church ruled consistently from the Vatican until centuries after.

My stipulation is from Acts, Chapter 4, and presuming that the story of Ananias and his wife Saphira was true. If not, then it's still no win for Randy's side. The foundation of Randy's Catholic's Cannot Be Wrong arrogance is that the church was commissioned by Jesus to Peter, and that Peter's successors are right necessarily because they are Peter's successors, not the rebels who later challenged Peter's successors. Are you yawning yet? My point of this is that Randy isn't just an arrogant asshole for Xtiandom, but an all-around Catholic bigot.

Anyway, Peter told everyone following him to sell off all of their property and bring him all the money from the transactions. Ananias and his wife Saphira decided to keep some of their own money for themselves. Peter pressed them on whether they gave him all of their money, and Ananias lied. Peter knew they were lying. According to Acts 4, Ananias, and later his wife suddenly dropped dead in front of Peter for that lie. Now I don't believe that even Randy is stupid enough to believe they "just died", especially with Peter being known for his violent temper - fuck that, you know that if this scene with these people took place at all, it was Peter killing them in cold blood. Jesus had a violent side too, as told by his violent rampage through the Jewish temple, therefore it's unsurprising if in fact he chose Peter. Therefore, presuming that the bible is true at all, Peter was a murderous thug.

(August 21, 2015 at 7:57 pm)professor Wrote: Catholicism does not accept biblical statements like that because someone among them might recognize their organization as the whore of Babylon that she is.

And nevermind the evangelical mega church con artists. But I love it and have a good laugh at how much you hate each others belief systems.

I think it was Beccs who posted, those con artists will still be here after the smoke clears, and I had to give her a kudo for it.
Referring to the fund raisers they have.

(August 21, 2015 at 8:05 pm)NoFaith2Burn4 Wrote: I'm not studied enough to offer proof on Peter's existence, but you know it was somebody who led the first church. He is said to be buried in the Vatican, and those who succeeded him were regarded as Popes, not that his church ruled consistently from the Vatican for centuries after.

Yeah, so don't do a Randy and take the toons from his book as reality. What first church? Look at Roman history for starters. One thing Randy never does. Right now you're just exchanging unbased claims with him.

Peter was a fisherman according to the gospels. What do you think a fisherman from old Judea looked like? How educated he had been. How would someone like that even get the funds to travel? How would he become a Roman citizen? How would he talk to the people, since it's highly unlikely that he spoke another language than his local dialect? It's equally unlikely that he could read or write.

They actually excavated a boat they used for fishing back then. That's how it looks like.



Now Randy would claim the holy spirit made all this possible. But do we really need to apply for his contest of ignorance?

(August 21, 2015 at 8:13 pm)abaris Wrote:

(August 21, 2015 at 8:05 pm)NoFaith2Burn4 Wrote: I'm not studied enough to offer proof on Peter's existence, but you know it was somebody who led the first church. He is said to be buried in the Vatican, and those who succeeded him were regarded as Popes, not that his church ruled consistently from the Vatican for centuries after.

Yeah, so don't do a Randy and take the toons from his book as reality. What first church? Look at Roman history for starters. One thing Randy never does. Right now you're just exchanging unbased claims with him.

Peter was a fisherman according to the gospels. What do you think a fisherman from old Judea looked like? How educated he had been. How would someone like that even get the funds to travel? How would he become a Roman citizen? How would he talk to the people, since it's highly unlikely that he spoke another language than his local dialect? It's equally unlikely that he could read or write.

They actually excavated a boat they used for fishing back then. That's how it looks like.



Now Randy would claim the holy spirit made all this possible. But do we really apply for his contest of ignorance?

LOL, how much should we really care about accuracy when dealing with Randy, for whom reality enters one of the holes, and gets blown out the A-hole? I was just trying to have a little fun with him, and maybe bring his arrogance down a peg. 

As for me, I don't have a belief system, other than that those who don't know jack should remain silent, which is how they may even learn something. Knowing that I am already out of my depth with Roman history, I'm going to try and bow out for now.

(August 21, 2015 at 8:28 pm)NoFaith2Burn4 Wrote: LOL, how much should we really care about accuracy when dealing with Randy, for whom reality enters one of the holes, and gets blown out the A-hole? I was just trying to have a little fun with him, and maybe bring his arrogance down a peg. 

Well, maybe it has something to do with self respect. I for one don't feel the need to answer one verbal fart with an even louder one. It also has something to do with honesty.

This thread is on life support.....needs defibrillation.