I'm still not convinced the figure comes to 99% of terrorist attacks so far in 2015 are Quran/Hadith inspired. There are simply too many attacks committed for secular reasons (e.g. for the sake of Kurdistan). Just be skimming through the list, it's clear the number is not 99%. I'm too lazy to make a spreadsheet to keep track of the figures though.

If we were talking in terms of casualties in 2015 so far I would be more inclined to accept the figures, and Muhamamdans themselves are the biggest casualties of terrorism. However, the list says that Palestinians throwing stones is a terrorist attack. People do that whenever there is a riot. How is throwing stones a terrorist attack?

(September 2, 2015 at 4:11 pm)MrNoMorePropaganda Wrote: I'm still not convinced the figure comes to 99% of terrorist attacks so far in 2015 are Quran/Hadith inspired. There are simply too many attacks committed for secular reasons (e.g. for the sake of Kurdistan). Just be skimming through the list, it's clear the number is not 99%. I'm too lazy to make a spreadsheet to keep track of the figures though.

If we were talking in terms of casualties in 2015 so far I would be more inclined to accept the figures, and Muhamamdans themselves are the biggest casualties of terrorism. However, the list says that Palestinians throwing stones is a terrorist attack. People do that whenever there is a riot. How is throwing stones a terrorist attack?

But the thing is, I am not talking about how muslims are killing 99% of terrorist victims because of the Quran. I am saying that they just do.

I don't CARE why they do it, I care that they DO do it.

Oh my fucking god. Now I am actually getting mad. I decided to watch your last youtube video, titled "It's Halal Therefore It's Healthy?" And you would not believe what the fuck I found! A the 6:35 mark you say, and I quote, "That is just like saying, because Osama Bin Laden was a terrorist, then all Mohammedans are terrorists." Who the fuck said that!? Who!? Quote ANYONE, ANYWHERE, in ANYWAY, saying that!

(September 2, 2015 at 7:14 pm)Shuffle Wrote: Oh my fucking god. Now I am actually getting mad. I decided to watch your last youtube video, titled "It's Halal Therefore It's Healthy?" And you would not believe what the fuck I found! A the 6:35 mark you say, and I quote, "That is just like saying, because Osama Bin Laden was a terrorist, then all Mohammedans are terrorists." Who the fuck said that!? Who!? Quote ANYONE, ANYWHERE, in ANYWAY, saying that!

What does that YouTube video have to do with this discussion? You're 'poisoning the well'.  I dislike the Quran as much anyone else on this forum, but that doesn't mean I'm going to ignore facts when it comes to terrorism.

I have retracted the below paragraph. See next post. Having re-watched my own video I see that I was taken out of context.

Anyhow, when Fox News talks about profiling of all Muhammadans it suggests that they don't think Muhammadans are innocent until proven guilty so they have to be 'on the radar' so to speak. Fox News thinks that they are all dangerous and so would want us to have this one size fits all policy. They are assuming that anyone and everyone could be interpreting the Quran literally so they want them all in a database like the Israelis do with the people of Palestine (to use their example). If they honestly thought not all Muhammadans are terrorists they wouldn't advocate for such a draconian measure and for the taking away of their privacy. Fox News would have us all live in a police state if they had their way. In summary, Fox News thinks all Muhammadans are terrorists.

(September 3, 2015 at 6:26 am)MrNoMorePropaganda Wrote: Anyhow, when Fox News talks about profiling of all Muhammadans it suggests that they don't think Muhammadans are innocent until proven guilty so they have to be 'on the radar' so to speak. Fox News thinks that they are all dangerous and so would have this one size fits all policy. They are assuming that anyone and everyone could be interpreting the Quran literally so they want them all in a database like the Israelis do with the people of Palestine (to use their example). If they honestly thought not all Muhammadans are terrorists they wouldn't advocate for such a draconian measure and for the taking away of their privacy. Fox News would have us all live in a police state if they had their way. In summary, Fox News thinks all Muhammadans are terrorists.

That's a giant leap.

You took A and B and ended up with D.

Just because they advocate profiling, and that they think "Muhammadans" as you call them should be monitored, doesn't necessarily mean they think they're all terrorists. It just means they think they have the potential to be terrorists. It's a pessimistic view, but not one I necessarily disagree with, and it's also a distinction that matters.

It's similar to how profiling is done on black people in the US. Do you think police forces view all black people as criminals? I think it's narrow-minded to suggest so. However you could make the case that some of them view anyone who is black as potential criminals more so than a middle-class white dude, for example. In other words, they have increased suspicion over this particular person. I don't think it's the same as automatically assuming that all black people are criminals, however.

Likewise I don't think it's fair to suggest Fox News actually assumes all Muslims are terrorists. I know they get a lot of stick, and I probably will for defending them, but let's be reasonable.

Ok so I re-watched the video Shuffle cited and it seems he took my comments out of context. So I in fact wasted my time typing that example and I'm not even going to attempt to defend it. I was merely saying that Muhammadans don't like guilt by association and yet they love to use guilt by association to attack the West.

I said something along the lines of: "saying the entire West is immoral based on a study by one woman who happened to find fecal matter when she swabbed an office is like saying all Muhammadans are terrorists". Yusuf Estes says he doesn't like being called a terrorist yet he calls me, as a Westerner, immoral based on how one person, probably, was not considerate enough to wash their hands. And I often hear people moan about how drunk Western society is and I hate it, because I don't consume alcohol myself.

Let's get an unbiased opinion:

http://youtu.be/Hyb7QHEDfmY

Facts are a bitch:

*in the EU.

I'm sure it's different in the Middle East and the rest of the world.

In fact, I've quoted this before, when someone posted the same thing Cato...

http://www.theguardian.com/news/datablog...-to-report



Yes, I guess facts are indeed, a bitch.

(September 3, 2015 at 8:22 am)Napoléon Wrote: *in the EU.

I was only dismantling the 99% claim. Your additional figures bury it.

If Shuffle's argument then becomes that most terrorism in predominantly Muslim countries are committed mostly by Muslims, then we have a true master of the obvious.

I'd like to see how the figures change if we add American drone strikes to the tally.