(September 3, 2015 at 11:39 am)thehedglin Wrote: So, have we moved past the idea that too many terrorists are Muslim for it to simply be coincidence? Can we do away with the accusations of racism and actually start discussing WHY these people seem to be more likely to do this nonsense?

(September 3, 2015 at 10:45 am)Napoléon Wrote:

(September 3, 2015 at 10:39 am)Shuffle Wrote: But why does it matter why they are doing it? It just muddies the water and distracts from the central point that 99% of deaths by terrorism are carried out by muslims.

Uh, no. Sorry but that's not true. Do you have the stats to back this up? Because myself and Cato have already posted actual stats that disprove this point.

I guess I shouldn't have given the benefit of the doubt, you really are suggesting 99% of deaths by terrorism are carried out by muslims.

You could argue a significant proportion of attacks are carried out by muslims, sure. But 99%? This is just flat out wrong and detracts from any point you may actually have. People aren't gonna listen if you're coming out with stuff like this.

Quote:Period. End of story. Pack it up boys!

So, what is your point exactly? 99% of terrorist attacks are carried out by muslims (wrong) ergo... what?

Even if 100% of terrorism was committed by muslims, it wouldn't mean all muslims are terrorists. It would just mean all terrorists are muslims. Really not sure what your point is.

Look at this list, and tell me what you see.

(September 3, 2015 at 7:16 pm)Shuffle Wrote:

(September 3, 2015 at 11:39 am)thehedglin Wrote: So, have we moved past the idea that too many terrorists are Muslim for it to simply be coincidence? Can we do away with the accusations of racism and actually start discussing WHY these people seem to be more likely to do this nonsense?

Racism? What the fuck does race have to do with this?

(September 3, 2015 at 7:19 pm)thehedglin Wrote:

(September 3, 2015 at 7:16 pm)Shuffle Wrote: Racism? What the fuck does race have to do with this?

Racism is the MOST common accusation when one attempts to discuss the issue of violence in Islam. Surely you have noticed it?

(September 3, 2015 at 7:21 pm)Shuffle Wrote:

(September 3, 2015 at 7:19 pm)thehedglin Wrote: Racism is the MOST common accusation when one attempts to discuss the issue of violence in Islam. Surely you have noticed it?

Islam is not a race.

(August 19, 2015 at 4:55 pm)CapnAwesome Wrote:

(August 19, 2015 at 4:44 pm)abaris Wrote: Yes, what are you talking about? The terrorist header has no base in reality. The incitement part based on blanket statements has.

And you don't seem to get the difference between political leaders doing the incitment and enraged crowds. Maybe you don't have these kinds of guys in America, though, going by the state of the current republican field I doubt that. Or you are simply more indolent to the terminology used. At times it's word for word Nazi jargon. You just have to swap muslim with jew and we're exactly at the same point we were 80 years ago as far as words are concerned.

Haha, it never takes long for Nazis to be brought up I guess.

I think you are extrapolating way too much. I'm talking about a really specific statement "Not all Muslims are Terrorists" That is said all the time and is a dishonest argument. That's what I'm talking about.

(September 3, 2015 at 11:58 pm)thehedglin Wrote:

(September 3, 2015 at 7:21 pm)Shuffle Wrote: Islam is not a race.

This fact does not seem to affect the frequency of the accusation, does it.

(September 4, 2015 at 12:09 am)Parkers Tan Wrote:

(August 19, 2015 at 4:55 pm)CapnAwesome Wrote: Haha, it never takes long for Nazis to be brought up I guess.

I think you are extrapolating way too much. I'm talking about a really specific statement "Not all Muslims are Terrorists" That is said all the time and is a dishonest argument. That's what I'm talking about.

What's that knucklehead who posts here from Australia whose every thread was about the evils of Islam? Al Stoner, right? Pretty sure he's shopped the "all Muslims" trope on more than one occasion. Times like that, "not all" needed to be said.

Having said that, it'd be nice if more politicians were more nuanced ... but demagoguery gets votes, unfortunately.