(September 4, 2015 at 12:11 am)Shuffle Wrote:

(September 3, 2015 at 11:58 pm)thehedglin Wrote: This fact does not seem to affect the frequency of the accusation, does it.

You called people that criticism of Islam racist. How is it racist?

I don't recall ever calling anyone that, perhaps you misread my statements.

(September 3, 2015 at 11:39 am)thehedglin Wrote: So, have we moved past the idea that too many terrorists are Muslim for it to simply be coincidence? Can we do away with the accusations of racism and actually start discussing WHY these people seem to be more likely to do this nonsense?

(September 4, 2015 at 12:29 am)thehedglin Wrote:

(September 4, 2015 at 12:11 am)Shuffle Wrote: You called people that criticism of Islam racist. How is it racist?

I don't recall ever calling anyone that, perhaps you misread my statements.

(September 4, 2015 at 12:13 am)Shuffle Wrote:

(September 4, 2015 at 12:09 am)Parkers Tan Wrote: What's that knucklehead who posts here from Australia whose every thread was about the evils of Islam? Al Stoner, right? Pretty sure he's shopped the "all Muslims" trope on more than one occasion. Times like that, "not all" needed to be said.

Having said that, it'd be nice if more politicians were more nuanced ... but demagoguery gets votes, unfortunately.

Could you spare a single quote, are are we all allowed to state unjustified claims.

Oh, yeah, and I am a unicorn by the way.

I'll wait until you support your 99% claim first, because I think it's horseshit, and the statistics seem to bear out my opinion. You've been asked a few times already to support it, and you haven't. Until you do so, you asking anyone else to do so reeks of horseshit too.

(September 4, 2015 at 12:44 am)Shuffle Wrote:

(September 3, 2015 at 11:39 am)thehedglin Wrote: So, have we moved past the idea that too many terrorists are Muslim for it to simply be coincidence? Can we do away with the accusations of racism and actually start discussing WHY these people seem to be more likely to do this nonsense?

(September 4, 2015 at 12:29 am)thehedglin Wrote: I don't recall ever calling anyone that, perhaps you misread my statements.

Yeah, I'm not sure about you, but where I am from asking if we are past accusations of racism is NOT the same as accusing someone of it.

They are right that "not all", but this applies to all religions, that miss the point that is not the argument critics of religion make.

It only takes just enough, it doesn't have to be all. This is the cover liberals and moderates and even atheists fall for in a false sense of fairness, even if well intended.

The point isn't that all do it, but that the same books are used by both liberals and zealots, and it olny takes just enough to fuck things up for the rest of us.

(September 3, 2015 at 8:19 am)Cato Wrote: Facts are a bitch:

This has been posted before, to add what i posted in reply to this, the Europol data could be inherently skewed because it may not take into account a multitude of factors, such as failed attacks and prevented attacks and state definitions of what constitutes a terrorist attack, which naturally differ between states.

I'm not involving myself in this debate as it's been done already over several threads, but I just wanted to add that.

(September 4, 2015 at 1:43 am)Parkers Tan Wrote:

(September 4, 2015 at 12:13 am)Shuffle Wrote: Could you spare a single quote, are are we all allowed to state unjustified claims.

Oh, yeah, and I am a unicorn by the way.

I'll wait until you support your 99% claim first, because I think it's horseshit, and the statistics seem to bear out my opinion.  You've been asked a few times already to support it, and you haven't. Until you do so, you asking anyone else to do so reeks of horseshit too.

Um, no. You are wrong I have given this link out 2 other times, and each time I do, the people ignore it and don't post back.  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_te...ents,_2015

CapnAwesome Wrote:How many times do we hear this from non-muslims defending Islam? I probably hear it once a week in some form or another. No shit! You know what I have never heard in my life? Anybody say "All Muslims are terrorists" Nobody has ever said this. It's like people are arguing against a statement that has never been made ever. It's dishonest and distracting from the real problems that we have with Islam. Mainly that it preaches morality from the 6th century.

I can point you in the direction of people saying 'the only good Muslim is a dead Muslim'. I can point you to people using the word 'terrorist' interchangeably with 'Muslim'. Would that satisfy you that it's not dishonest to point out that most Muslims aren't terrorists?

Try going to Free Republic or Townhall and saying 'not all Muslims are terrorists'. You won't have to wait long for someone to point out that the only kinds of Muslims are those who are terrorists and those waiting for the right moment to be terrorists.

I can think of specific groups comprising millions off the top of my head among whom you won't find a single terrorist: Ahmahdis and Ismailis. Not too many Sufis on the list either, especially not compared to Evangelical Christians.

CapnAwesome Wrote:

abaris Wrote:Wow, that's a revelation?

What about christianity or judaism? They preach Iron Age morality. From the same desert region.

Fact is, there is no good religion when it comes to morality. And going by their extremes, they're all equally bad. And you would be surprised how many rightwing leaders make a political dime by making blanket statements about all muslims. You must be virtually deaf to not notice.

Then it should be easy for you to come up with an example of a prominent right-wing politician calling all muslims terrorists. George Bush actually said the exact opposite and called Islam a religion of peace. A totally ridiculous and stupid statement if there ever was one.

It didn't take you very long to go from 'no one, ever' to 'prominant right-wing politician'. You're going to give people whiplash if you keep that up.

(September 4, 2015 at 10:22 am)Mister Agenda Wrote:

CapnAwesome Wrote:How many times do we hear this from non-muslims defending Islam? I probably hear it once a week in some form or another. No shit! You know what I have never heard in my life? Anybody say "All Muslims are terrorists" Nobody has ever said this. It's like people are arguing against a statement that has never been made ever. It's dishonest and distracting from the real problems that we have with Islam. Mainly that it preaches morality from the 6th century.

I can point you in the direction of people saying 'the only good Muslim is a dead Muslim'. I can point you to people using the word 'terrorist' interchangeably with 'Muslim'. Would that satisfy you that it's not dishonest to point out that most Muslims aren't terrorists?

Try going to Free Republic or Townhall and saying 'not all Muslims are terrorists'. You won't have to wait long for someone to point out that the only kinds of Muslims are those who are terrorists and those waiting for the right moment to be terrorists.

I can think of specific groups comprising millions off the top of my head among whom you won't find a single terrorist: Ahmahdis and Ismailis. Not too many Sufis on the list either, especially not compared to Evangelical Christians.

Oh please, please tell me about the rampant Christian terrorism spreading across the country.