(January 15, 2016 at 11:09 am)Whateverist the White Wrote:

(January 15, 2016 at 10:28 am)*Deidre* Wrote: LOOOVE this pic!! 

Yep they seem to be radiant from basking in the warm glow of a shared delusion.  

lol I will soon be sharing in the delusion of marriage...but if one is happy, isn't it ok to be deluded? 

(January 14, 2016 at 8:49 pm)Catholic_Lady Wrote:

(January 14, 2016 at 8:42 pm)MysticKnight Wrote: I would have to see what he has to say about all the verses in Quran regarding this. If it's the raisin interpretation...then I don't really appreciate that one and it has no basis. There are verses that mention pure wives (not houris, other virgins, so they all interpret each other).

These houris were chosen by God to not be tested in this world and are of high purity. So we have to do quite a bit to become deserving of them and they are not all the same rank like Angels are not the same rank and have different levels of purity intensity, so the higher the rank we get, the higher rank will the houris be. Not all humans who enter paradise will earn them from my understanding but rather the believers that follow the light of God and that of his guidance or the Guides will become worthy of them. The people who were neither on the straight path (or the people of the right hand) nor on the evil path, but God forgives them due to not having reached the power to reject or accept faith, I'm not sure if they get Houris or not.

Could it be possible to take an allegorical interpretation of this?

Perhaps it doesn't literally mean you'll be having sex with a bunch of virgins, but rather, simply means that you will find complete fulfillment and ecstasy simply by being so close to God?

(Also, are the women who die also promised a bunch of virgin men? Just curious.)

I think when he goes to heaven, the only virgin there would be him.

(January 15, 2016 at 11:42 am)Anomalocaris Wrote:

(January 14, 2016 at 8:49 pm)Catholic_Lady Wrote: Could it be possible to take an allegorical interpretation of this?

Perhaps it doesn't literally mean you'll be having sex with a bunch of virgins, but rather, simply means that you will find complete fulfillment and ecstasy simply by being so close to God?

(Also, are the women who die also promised a bunch of virgin men? Just curious.)

I think when he goes to heaven, the only virgin there would be him.

Yeah, I kinda think of heaven as being inside a woman ... what a miserable life, fretting of the natural desires we all have, carrying the burden of guilt for being the way (he thinks) god created us.

(January 15, 2016 at 11:52 am)Thumpalumpacus Wrote:

(January 15, 2016 at 11:42 am)Anomalocaris Wrote: I think when he goes to heaven, the only virgin there would be him.

Yeah, I kinda think of heaven as being inside a woman ... what a miserable life, fretting of the natural desires we all have, carrying the burden of guilt for being the way (he thinks) god created us.

Yea, our carnal desires aren't necessarily 'bad' or inherently 'immoral,' but religion can sometimes cause us (believers) to imagine that it does. There is a healthy balance however that one should find. Indulging in only carnal pleasures will leave one's life empty. I lived like that once, and it didn't satisfy. It rarely does. Not saying people need to believe in a deity, not at all...but for me personally, I think life is deeper than carnal pleasures only. Although, they can be fun, no doubt. lol 

(January 15, 2016 at 11:42 am)Anomalocaris Wrote:

(January 14, 2016 at 8:49 pm)Catholic_Lady Wrote: Could it be possible to take an allegorical interpretation of this?

Perhaps it doesn't literally mean you'll be having sex with a bunch of virgins, but rather, simply means that you will find complete fulfillment and ecstasy simply by being so close to God?

(Also, are the women who die also promised a bunch of virgin men? Just curious.)

I think when he goes to heaven, the only virgin there would be him.

lol   hmmm....

(January 15, 2016 at 12:55 pm)*Deidre* Wrote:

(January 15, 2016 at 11:52 am)Thumpalumpacus Wrote: Yeah, I kinda think of heaven as being inside a woman ... what a miserable life, fretting of the natural desires we all have, carrying the burden of guilt for being the way (he thinks) god created us.

Yea, our carnal desires aren't necessarily 'bad' or inherently 'immoral,' but religion can sometimes cause us (believers) to imagine that it does. There is a healthy balance however that one should find. Indulging in only carnal pleasures will leave one's life empty. I lived like that once, and it didn't satisfy. It rarely does. Not saying people need to believe in a deity, not at all...but for me personally, I think life is deeper than carnal pleasures only. Although, they can be fun, no doubt. lol 

Yeah, I wasn't saying that physicality is paramount, only that denying our nature is unhealthy.

(January 15, 2016 at 11:33 am)*Deidre* Wrote:

(January 15, 2016 at 11:09 am)Whateverist the White Wrote: Yep they seem to be radiant from basking in the warm glow of a shared delusion.  

lol I will soon be sharing in the delusion of marriage...but if one is happy, isn't it ok to be deluded? 

He meant they are deluded because they are Christian.

(January 15, 2016 at 5:47 pm)Catholic_Lady Wrote:

(January 15, 2016 at 11:33 am)*Deidre* Wrote: lol I will soon be sharing in the delusion of marriage...but if one is happy, isn't it ok to be deluded? 

He meant they are deluded because they are Christian.

lol oh! I see.
 
We are deluded then too?

(January 15, 2016 at 2:29 pm)Thumpalumpacus Wrote:

(January 15, 2016 at 12:55 pm)*Deidre* Wrote: Yea, our carnal desires aren't necessarily 'bad' or inherently 'immoral,' but religion can sometimes cause us (believers) to imagine that it does. There is a healthy balance however that one should find. Indulging in only carnal pleasures will leave one's life empty. I lived like that once, and it didn't satisfy. It rarely does. Not saying people need to believe in a deity, not at all...but for me personally, I think life is deeper than carnal pleasures only. Although, they can be fun, no doubt. lol 

Yeah, I wasn't saying that physicality is paramount, only that denying our nature is unhealthy.

Agree.

(January 15, 2016 at 5:58 pm)*Deidre* Wrote:

(January 15, 2016 at 5:47 pm)Catholic_Lady Wrote: He meant they are deluded because they are Christian.

lol oh! I see.
 
We are deluded then too?

Of course you are silly.