(January 16, 2016 at 11:26 pm)Minimalist Wrote:

Quote: Well, voters should not lose sight of the fact that we vote to express our desires,

What you seem to forget is that the fascists do the same thing.

What sort of Godwin shit are you smoking? You need to elaborate, because there is no clear connection between that clause and whatever sort of analogy you are attempting.

(January 16, 2016 at 11:22 pm)God of Mr. Hanky Wrote:

(January 16, 2016 at 9:49 pm)Whateverist the White Wrote: If we ever see even a serviceable grade of democracy in this country again, it won't be because we dared to dream when we cast out vote.  No, it will be because we held our nose and voted for the candidate who could win and wouldn't appoint more judges who will seek to elevate corporations to a station above our own.

Are you serious?

Entirely. Several of us are. We just wish you would take it as seriously.

(January 16, 2016 at 11:22 pm)God of Mr. Hanky Wrote: Since when wasn't Hillary less the whore for Big Greed? When she was the first lady, Slick Willy was promoting, not just approving NAFTA.

Hey, it's an election not a morality play. Stone your whores on your own time. Just don't vote our future into the ground, will you?

(January 16, 2016 at 11:22 pm)God of Mr. Hanky Wrote: We will never get what we want by voting for who we cannot trust - compromise is not for the voters.

And that is the problem (my bold). No one wants to compromise anymore. Everyone just wants it their way based on their principles. Do you believe in objective values? Is that why you are unable to compromise?

(January 16, 2016 at 11:29 pm)God of Mr. Hanky Wrote:

(January 16, 2016 at 11:26 pm)Minimalist Wrote: What you seem to forget is that the fascists do the same thing.

What sort of Godwin shit are you smoking? You need to elaborate, because there is no clear connection between that clause and whatever sort of analogy you are attempting.

Really?  You think the rednecks vote for racist fuckballs for shits and giggles?  "Know your enemy" is a useful adage.

(January 16, 2016 at 11:32 pm)Whateverist the White Wrote:

(January 16, 2016 at 11:22 pm)God of Mr. Hanky Wrote: Are you serious?

Entirely.  Several of us are.  We just wish you would take it as seriously.

(January 16, 2016 at 11:22 pm)God of Mr. Hanky Wrote: Since when wasn't Hillary less the whore for Big Greed? When she was the first lady, Slick Willy was promoting, not just approving NAFTA.

Hey, it's an election not a morality play.  Stone your whores on your own time.  Just don't vote our future into the ground, will you?

(January 16, 2016 at 11:22 pm)God of Mr. Hanky Wrote: We will never get what we want by voting for who we cannot trust - compromise is not for the voters.

And that is the problem (my bold).  No one wants to compromise anymore.  Everyone just wants it their way based on their principles.  Do you believe in objective values?  Is that why you are unable to compromise?

Holy fuck, ever word of the above from you screams against the basic principles of actual democracy! "Vote with us, or you vote against us!" GWB had a version of that, with which he addressed the whole world.

(January 16, 2016 at 11:44 pm)God of Mr. Hanky Wrote: Holy fuck, ever word of the above from you screams against the basic principles of actual democracy! "Vote with us, or you vote against us!" GWB had a version of that, with which he addressed the whole world.

Not at all my point. Assuming you care about the kinds of things Sanders speaks to, I'm arguing you should vote strategically not passionately. You're mis-representing what I said.

(January 16, 2016 at 11:32 pm)Whateverist the White Wrote:

(January 16, 2016 at 11:22 pm)God of Mr. Hanky Wrote: Are you serious?

Entirely.  Several of us are.  We just wish you would take it as seriously.

Your concern is quite understandable, but you endanger the very underpinnings of any real democracy by telling people to compromise their own interests when they vote. Voting for the interest of the least common denominator who isn't on their side is not how the democratic process works.

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(January 16, 2016 at 11:22 pm)God of Mr. Hanky Wrote: Since when wasn't Hillary less the whore for Big Greed? When she was the first lady, Slick Willy was promoting, not just approving NAFTA.

Hey, it's an election not a morality play.  Stone your whores on your own time.  Just don't vote our future into the ground, will you?

Please answer my question on Hillary. Why should she be trusted not to finish the job of destroying democracy for the poor and middle class? She is not known for fighting globalism.

(January 16, 2016 at 11:32 pm)Whateverist the White Wrote:

(January 16, 2016 at 11:22 pm)God of Mr. Hanky Wrote: We will never get what we want by voting for who we cannot trust - compromise is not for the voters.

And that is the problem (my bold).  No one wants to compromise anymore.  Everyone just wants it their way based on their principles.

Yessiree, and that is exactly what the electoral system is intended for! Your willingness to induce others to compromise their own values at the polls frightens me, and I don't like being frightened. It used to be "Vote for Hilly, because Hilly knows what you want from your government", and now it's "Don't be a traitor - vote for Hilly, because a vote for Hilly is a vote for the team!" Sorry, but the polls are not the place for playing games. GWB gave the world the "You are for us, or you are against us" attitude (actually stated). This is facism.

Quote: Do you believe in objective values?  Is that why you are unable to compromise?

Have you read my other posts? I have ripped more than a few assholes in that idea, and anyway it's non-sequitor to this discussion. It's the people who bow to objective values who compromise their own, anywhere.

(January 16, 2016 at 11:49 pm)Whateverist the White Wrote:

(January 16, 2016 at 11:44 pm)God of Mr. Hanky Wrote: Holy fuck, ever word of the above from you screams against the basic principles of actual democracy! "Vote with us, or you vote against us!" GWB had a version of that, with which he addressed the whole world.

Not at all my point.  Assuming you care about the kinds of things Sanders speaks to, I'm arguing you should vote strategically not passionately.  You're mis-representing what I said.

No, I'm not trying to misrepresent you, wouldn't wish to with one who I respect. I'm just trying to point out a rather twisting turn in modern politics which you speak for, as you don't seem to appreciate why no proponent for actual democracy should be messing with it. It's a cure which is far more harmful than the disease. I'd suggest a better fix for the problem which we both are aware of and concerned with, but not having one is not much of a reason to resort to suicide. Give the fuckers inside the Washington Circle a record of who the voters actually want - they are the ones who should compromise without fucking you, not the other way around!

We do not have a "real democracy."  We have a pluto-kleptocracy  (rule by rich thieves.) 

You see, while corporate scumbags are stealing everything that isn't nailed down they distract a very significant portion of the electorate with bullshit issues like guns, abortion, and gay marriage.  Good luck with your "revolution," you are going to need it.

(January 17, 2016 at 12:29 am)Minimalist Wrote: We do not have a "real democracy."  We have a pluto-kleptocracy  (rule by rich thieves.) 

You see, while corporate scumbags are stealing everything that isn't nailed down they distract a very significant portion of the electorate with bullshit issues like guns, abortion, and gay marriage.  Good luck with your "revolution," you are going to need it.

You're a fountain of positivity, aren't you?