(January 17, 2016 at 12:50 am)pool the great Wrote:

(January 17, 2016 at 12:47 am)Catholic_Lady Wrote: Certainly a guy is "allowed" to stare at whomever he wants. But that doesn't mean it isn't rude or creepy, or something that he should try to avoid.

Are you suggesting men to suppress how their sexuality works?

Hm? I wouldn't consider refraining from starring at other people to be "suppressing how your sexuality works." I consider it normal human decency. But then again, you're the person who said rape victims deserve part of the blame for the rape, so perhaps I shouldn't bother.

(January 17, 2016 at 12:43 am)pool the great Wrote: It has nothing to do with objectifying women, however it has everything to do with how sexuality works in men.
Men are attracted to how a women looks, or rather her physicality. That is how the sexuality of men work. It's an evolutionarly scientifically proven fact.
If you think that men should be shamed for how their sexuality works then you are undoubtedly a sexist in my eyes.

Well, it's also a fact that men are able to show respect to women by not creeping them out with unwanted stares.

(January 17, 2016 at 12:54 am)Catholic_Lady Wrote:

(January 17, 2016 at 12:50 am)pool the great Wrote: Are you suggesting men to suppress how their sexuality works?

Hm? I wouldn't consider refraining from starring at other people to be "suppressing how your sexuality works." I consider it normal human decency. But then again, you're the person who said rape victims deserve part of the blame for the rape, so perhaps I shouldn't bother.

Very good. You're shaming tactics are admirable, I hope to learn from you one day.

Just so we are clear, I said that the rape victim of that case deserved part of the blame because of her irresponsibility. Then again, this line of discussion is reserved for that thread, not this, I wouldn't want to derail this thread just because you're tempting me to, and then have you cry "trooooooll" when I do.

(January 17, 2016 at 1:01 am)pool the great Wrote:

(January 17, 2016 at 12:54 am)Catholic_Lady Wrote: Hm? I wouldn't consider refraining from starring at other people to be "suppressing how your sexuality works." I consider it normal human decency. But then again, you're the person who said rape victims deserve part of the blame for the rape, so perhaps I shouldn't bother.

Very good. You're shaming tactics are admirable, I hope to learn from you one day.

Just so we are clear, I said that the rape victim of that case deserved part of the blame because of her irresponsibility. Then again, this line of discussion is reserved for that thread, not this, I wouldn't want to derail this thread just because you're tempting me to, and then have you cry "trooooooll" when I do.

I wasn't trying to shame you or tempt you into anything. Just keeping things in perspective. I actually think the talk regarding women's dress and men's disrespect is very much tied into the whole rape blame thing. It's kind of the same principles.

(January 17, 2016 at 1:05 am)Catholic_Lady Wrote:

(January 17, 2016 at 1:01 am)pool the great Wrote: Very good. You're shaming tactics are admirable, I hope to learn from you one day.

Just so we are clear, I said that the rape victim of that case deserved part of the blame because of her irresponsibility. Then again, this line of discussion is reserved for that thread, not this, I wouldn't want to derail this thread just because you're tempting me to, and then have you cry "trooooooll" when I do.

I wasn't trying to shame you or tempt you into anything. Just keeping things in perspective. I actually think the talk regarding women's dress and men's disrespect is very much tied into the whole rape blame thing. It's kind of the same principles.

Hold up, hold up, Men's disrespect? Are you for real lady? So now all men are disrespectful? Can this get any more sexist that it already is?
Men's disrespect?
If I see boobs jumping up and down - I will look, because it is how I'm evolutionarily wired, it has nothing to do with me disrespecting the women I'm looking at, tbh, it's actually a compliment, I'm actually paying the girl a compliment - that she is desirable.
It's a compliment, take it or leave it. Just don't play the victim card, yeah?

^ I rest my case.

(January 17, 2016 at 1:12 am)Catholic_Lady Wrote: ^ I rest my case.

(January 17, 2016 at 1:09 am)pool the great Wrote:

(January 17, 2016 at 1:05 am)Catholic_Lady Wrote: I wasn't trying to shame you or tempt you into anything. Just keeping things in perspective. I actually think the talk regarding women's dress and men's disrespect is very much tied into the whole rape blame thing. It's kind of the same principles.

Hold up, hold up, Men's disrespect? Are you for real lady? So now all men are disrespectful? Can this get any more sexist that it already is?

I see you edited.

No, I clearly never said all men are disrespectful. What I meant is that that is what we're talking about. That is the current topic of discussion - women who wear sexy clothes, and the specific men who are disrespectful about it by staring.  

Just wanted to clarify in case anyone else had any doubts.

(January 17, 2016 at 1:09 am)pool the great Wrote:

(January 17, 2016 at 1:05 am)Catholic_Lady Wrote: I wasn't trying to shame you or tempt you into anything. Just keeping things in perspective. I actually think the talk regarding women's dress and men's disrespect is very much tied into the whole rape blame thing. It's kind of the same principles.

Hold up, hold up, Men's disrespect? Are you for real lady? So now all men are disrespectful? Can this get any more sexist?
Men's disrespect?
If I see boobs jumping up and down - I will look, because it is how I'm evolutionarily wired, it has nothing to do with me disrespecting the women I'm looking at, tbh, it's actually a compliment, I'm actually paying the girl a compliment - that she is desirable.
It's a compliment, take it or leave it. Just don't play the victim card, yeah?

And what if she didn't want you to stare for long at her boobs? Would you still be respecting her? Try to be considerate of how other fellow human beings may feel in these situations. Perhaps the girl or woman didn't mean to tease you with her boobs. It's not impossible for boobs to bounce up and down unintentionally.

Anyway, depends on the context really. If it's clear she's flirting with you, and she's bold about it, that's fine, I guess.

(January 17, 2016 at 12:48 am)Catholic_Lady Wrote:

(January 17, 2016 at 12:43 am)pool the great Wrote: It has nothing to do with objectifying women, however it has everything to do with how sexuality works in men.
Men are attracted to how a women looks, or rather her physicality. That is how the sexuality of men work. It's an evolutionarly scientifically proven fact.
If you think that men should be shamed for how their sexuality works then you are undoubtedly a sexist in my eyes.

No one is saying a man isn't allowed to be sexually attracted to a pretty girl. Just don't be a creep by staring and being disrespectful.

It's all relative, CL. That's the point I was trying to make earlier. It's relative to what a girl is wearing, which might sound creepy but it's the honest truth.

If you see a man wearing a speedo out in public, are you going to immediately scold yourself and think it disrespectful to stare? No, because you expect them to know that by wearing that, they are going to be stared at. Obviously you don't have to intensely stare, but looking longer than normal clearly, you will most likely do. That could be because you are attracted, or questioning why someone would wear so little regardless it is the exact same concept. That the less you wear, the more you expect the other person to expect people to be staring. That was my whole point. Women are developing this mindset in modern society, that if they wear much less than average clothing amount, they are to be looked at the same exact way as if they weren't, and anyone who they deem treating them like someone wearing hardly any clothes, is the one being disrespectful, and suddenly they turn into the victim. It's this switching the blame. There is no definitive line of what's minimal to wear and what's not. However, the fact that a large majority of women that do wear what would objectively be considered "Skimpy", without a good reason other than personal preference, are getting mad at people who stare at them is a social misunderstanding that women's right's suddenly turn in to women's expectations, that no matter how they dress it's to be treated and respected. If you can't respect yourself enough to admit what you're wearing is for the goal of appearing more attractive, I can't respect you enough to think that i'm the one who should be blamed for doing what you wanted me to do in specific.