(January 17, 2016 at 9:15 am)MTL Wrote:

(January 17, 2016 at 2:15 am)Lemonvariable72 Wrote: Oh come on wizard, don't tell me you don't look at a member of the sex of the your attracted to and go "that ass, its fucking amazing"
I'm going to give you a personal example of how this works. There is this girl in my class at school. She has a fucking amazing ass that and figure. I would love nothing more then to fuck the everloving shit out of her from behind. But j also acknowledge that she is a very competent and intelligent human, who is very kind and easy to get along with. She also has great organizational skills. Does that make me an evil sexist who views women as objects. Hardly. Just my mother was careful to teach me that women are more then just sex objects. In other words you can teach a straight man to see women as humans, but you can't teach him to not what to fuck women.

But once again,
no one here is saying that men shouldn't be ATTRACTED-TO, or even appreciate, a sexy woman's appearance.

What we're saying is that her appearance doesn't give men license to act like apes.

If I'm looking good...not even dressed particularly provocatively, just looking good...

...and I go to the grocery store,
and I see a man do a double-take at me,
and his gaze lingers a moment,
maybe he even briefly makes eye-contact with me...

I am not going to be offended....in fact, I will even be a little flattered.

Even if I do not find him attractive;
even if he is the same age as my grandfather.

As long as all he did was LOOK, and not STARE.

But if a guy stares fixedly at me, never lowering his gaze,
even after he knows I've seen him looking...

...that is intimidating and could even be construed as menacing.

Now, what some of the guys here are trying to defend,
is that it IS entirely understandable to STARE,
and that STARING should not be shamed,

....if the woman is dressed provocatively.

And what we've been responding with is this:

Fine.  Stare if you must.  As long as you don't touch or harass.

But it's still rude, and we are still going think you are an ape.
You may be struck by her provocative dress,
but you are still responsible for your own behavior.
Looking is one thing...staring is another.

If these guys want to say:
" If she dresses sexy, she should expect stares. "

Then I can say to those guys:
" If you stare, you should expect to be considered an ape who is barely in control of himself...
...and you can expect women to flee from you. "

In other words,
EVERYONE is accountable for their OWN behavior.

Go read my post on page 24

(January 17, 2016 at 3:25 am)Heat Wrote:

(January 17, 2016 at 2:44 am)Catholic_Lady Wrote: So you think I'm blatantly lying then? 

What could be a BS reason to you might actually be a valid reason to someone else. Especially when they are the opposite sex and have certain differences.

I think this thread and society in general is simply a bunch of women pretending what they are clearly doing isn't what it seems, and blaming us for even asking the question to begin with.
And then we have a bunch of guys who feel the need to agree with this, because if not it suddenly turns in to a gender discrimination issue.

It's all a bunch of pretending, so that a woman can mentally accept that her actions are not the ones associated with a negative denotation. 


You did not give me a reason. No one did. You, like everyone else, asserted an illogical statement as reality, and then got up an arms when called you out on it. I don't think you're directly lying, I think you're pretending, wanting your actions not to represent a characteristic that you find unfavorable.

Well if you insist that I'm lying and pretending, then there's not much else I can say. I did give you reasons, you just didn't like them or agree with them.

(January 17, 2016 at 3:37 am)Heat Wrote:

(January 17, 2016 at 2:11 am)Catholic_Lady Wrote: When I was still single I used to wear really sexy, expensive underwear from Victoria's Secret. Only in my favorite colors - black, red, and hot pink. And yet... I was celibate and didn't strip down to my underwear in front of anyone. So, why did I wear them? Obviously no one was going to see them, and I knew that. I wore them because it made me feel sexy, for myself. 

Again, believe it or not, the existence of women doesn't revolve around men all the time. And neither should it.

Why the fuck would that make you feel sexy? What is deemed "sexy" if not by standards of your sexual preferential gender?


I'm gonna wear a bracelet I really like. AWW YEAH DUDE I'M SO FUCKING SEXY FUCK YEAH DUDE THIS IS THE SEXIEST THING I'VE EVER WORN, SCREW OTHER PEOPLE THIS IS GIVING ME CONFIDENCE BECAUSE I THINK IT'S THE FUCKING SEXIEST THING IN THE WORLD, NOTHING TO DO WITH OTHER PEOPLE FINDING IT ATTRACTIVE AWWWWWWWWWWWWWYEAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAH.

It just did. You don't have to understand. If you wish to continue to assume I'm lying and then treat me and talk to me as though I am, based on that assumption, then that is your choice and there's not much else I care to do.

I just want to say to Heat and Pool that I do like the both of you. Even though I think you are both very wrong in some of the things you have said and assumptions you have made in this thread, I hope you know that any frustration and back and forth arguing on my part will stay in their respective threads and not extend out to how I feel about you as people and overall members of this forum.

Pool just PM'd me to ask is you'd make him and Heat a sammich. There's a dear.

(January 17, 2016 at 12:18 pm)pool the great Wrote: some chicks do this because this increases their sexual value in other's eyes
(or at least they think, god knows it's annoying).

claiming how they hate all the attention and they can't go out without guys drooling over them is a form of self-flattery they employ to boost their self-worth/confidence and increase their value in the eyes of others.

Yeah, I know, the chicks that do this are extremely annoying - ignore them at all costs

these types are the ones that people call attention seekers,
and that's what they are trying to get so don't give it to them - ignore them, that'll drive 'em nuts hahaha.

Pool, you are finally getting it.

I've been saying this, all along.

If you think a woman is playing head games with you,
and merely trying to boost her ego,

by dressing explicitly sexy
and then condemning you for your reaction to that,

...then, instead of staring...simply don't react to her.

What I've been criticizing is the argument, throughout this thread
that you guys seemed to think it was a justifiable reaction to her hypocrisy,
to STARE unapologetically at her...

...and I've been saying that basically two wrongs don't make a right;


YOU would then be responsible for YOUR choice to react to her "game"
by acting like a caveman...


....instead like an intelligent modern man in control of himself,
who refuses to be baited.


The militant promise to STARE at such a woman was reading, to me, at least,
less like a testoterone-driven reaction to the female body,

than the bitter, petulant reaction of an angry guy who resents her playing games.

(And don't forget, not every woman who dresses provocatively is doing it with the intent of playing head games.
You don't know what motivated her fashion choices. 
It might not be about YOU, at all).

(January 17, 2016 at 1:09 pm)Catholic_Lady Wrote:

(January 17, 2016 at 3:25 am)Heat Wrote: I think this thread and society in general is simply a bunch of women pretending what they are clearly doing isn't what it seems, and blaming us for even asking the question to begin with.
And then we have a bunch of guys who feel the need to agree with this, because if not it suddenly turns in to a gender discrimination issue.

It's all a bunch of pretending, so that a woman can mentally accept that her actions are not the ones associated with a negative denotation. 


You did not give me a reason. No one did. You, like everyone else, asserted an illogical statement as reality, and then got up an arms when called you out on it. I don't think you're directly lying, I think you're pretending, wanting your actions not to represent a characteristic that you find unfavorable.

Well if you insist that I'm lying and pretending, then there's not much else I can say. I did give you reasons, you just didn't like them or agree with them.

The reasons i've been provided have been along the lines of "Trust me, this is how it is".

(January 17, 2016 at 1:34 pm)Catholic_Lady Wrote: I just want to say to Heat and Pool that I do like the both of you. Even though I think you are both very wrong in some of the things you have said and assumptions you have made in this thread, I hope you know that any frustration and back and forth arguing on my part will stay in their respective threads and not extend out to how I feel about you as people and overall members of this forum.

Thank you, you too.

(January 16, 2016 at 5:07 pm)Rhondazvous Wrote: Does anyone else find it odd that while god was supposed to have created two naked human beings (not just skimpy, but naked), Christians look at what god said was "very good" and say "EW, nasty, dirty, filthy , disgusting. Get it out of my face. I don't want to see that."

Man who cannot appreciate the female body are Neanderthals.

That is a foolish thing to say. Who has a problem with admiring beauty?

Not me.

The problem is in the advertisement of the goods. Say your in the grocery store and see some food you like. You may justify not buying it for whatever reason. But then a couple aisles over there are free samples. Well you love that food and here it is right here for the taking. You gonna get some.

It may or may not boil down to seeking attention to some women. But what it boils down to for some men is that if one caries themself in a certain way, then indeed, they must be that way.

It isn't dressing like a whore that men have a problem with. The problem is that according to some women, it is false advertisement. That can lead to many negative things, least of which isn't forced rape or prison.

The female body has potential to be priceless artwork. I for one admire art generally at a distance. Some like a more hands on approach. Some women apparently like it too judging by their general demeanor these days.

So I guess if your promiscuous then dress accordingly, and if not dress accordingly. Or if you feel the need to fantasize about being a whore then don't get bent out a shape when someone wants to take you up on your insinuated offer.

2¢

Peace

Faith in selfless Unity for Good.

(January 16, 2016 at 5:38 pm)Beccs Wrote: Personally I wear whatever is cimfortable for me and don't really give a flying fuck what anyone thunks of that. At work I wear scrubs or professiinal clirhing. When I go out to dinner I usually wear a dress. Shopping I usually weae jeans abd a t-shirt. On the beach, a bikini, topless, or completely naked.

What your question should be is why judgemental of what women wear while not applying the same standard to men?

What!?

Men aren't really at risk of getting raped by a woman because his Ass cheek or ball is exposed.

Faith in selfless Unity for Good.