(January 18, 2016 at 8:36 am)Sheed1980 Wrote:

(January 18, 2016 at 7:56 am)ApeNotKillApe Wrote: You still haven't answered my question.

Do me a favor. Restate ur question for me with what u would like clarity on, and I will do my best to answer it for u my friend

I thought the question was pretty clear: What is it that's so immoral about homosexuality that it gives Allah reason to despise it? Why does an all-powerful being - a being who made up the laws of physics in his head - care so intensely about the sex lives of humans?

I won't speak about homosexuality; but for sure I can speak about Sodom -the people of Lot-; the society where Lot immigrated to.
They were gay, but they were cutthroat bandits too, and as a society the were known for being raiders.

Quoting Lot -Peace be upon him- :


Quran :
( 28 ) And [mention] Lot, when he said to his people, "Indeed, you commit such immorality as no one has preceded you with from among the worlds.
( 29 ) Indeed, you approach men and obstruct the road and commit in your meetings [every] evil." And the answer of his people was not but they said, "Bring us the punishment of Allah, if you should be of the truthful."


Homosexuality also wasn't indiced by only lust; the people of Lot actually thought it was more moral than regular sex; it's obvious that they were thinking that homosexuality was the way to go :


The Quran; Sura 11.
( 77 ) And when Our messengers, [the angels], came to Lot, he was anguished for them and felt for them great discomfort and said, "This is a trying day."
( 78 ) And his people came hastening to him, and before [this] they had been doing evil deeds. He said, "O my people, these are my daughters; they are purer for you. So fear Allah and do not disgrace me concerning my guests. Is there not among you a man of reason?"
( 79 ) They said, "You have already known that we have not concerning your daughters any claim, and indeed, you know what we want."
( 80 ) He said, "If only I had against you some power or could take refuge in a strong support."
( 81 ) The angels said, "O Lot, indeed we are messengers of your Lord; [therefore], they will never reach you. So set out with your family during a portion of the night and let not any among you look back - except your wife; indeed, she will be struck by that which strikes them. Indeed, their appointment is [for] the morning. Is not the morning near?"


They are rapists. They raided the caravans and raped the men. Just like they wanted to do with Lot's guests -who were angles-.

Lot described the act twice, as being "ignorant" and "Lavish".

(January 18, 2016 at 8:46 am)Bella Morte Wrote:

(January 18, 2016 at 8:33 am)Brian37 Wrote: You aint just disseling wixy. You said it.

All religious arguments of all religions go like this.

My blah blah blah= "Look over there, squirrel!"

I have no idea what you mean by that.

It's a meme "squirrel" is simply a silly word used to denote someone getting distracted easily. Like men and boobs. Theism relies on the "boobs" of pretty stories, in an attempt to get you to be distracted by the "squirrel". Crude analogy but hopefully that explains it.

Kinda like when you fool someone with "Your shoe is untied," and you flick their chin as they look down and you say "Made you look".

Religion wants you distracted by clear crap because it is "pretty" like some people think squirrels are cute.

(January 18, 2016 at 8:50 am)ApeNotKillApe Wrote:

(January 18, 2016 at 8:36 am)Sheed1980 Wrote: Do me a favor. Restate ur question for me with what u would like clarity on, and I will do my best to answer it for u my friend

I thought the question was pretty clear: What is it that's so immoral about homosexuality that it gives Allah reason to despise it? Why does an all-powerful being - a being who made up the laws of physics in his head - care so intensely about the sex lives of humans?

Because sexuality is not only a form of pleasure for us as humans its also the form of reproduction to continue our existence of mankind. If it were natural and acceptable in the sight of Allah He would've created 2 men to mate. But it is immoral and our bodies that Allah created show this as well. Now we are both adults and having an adult conversation so I hope u don't mind me mentioning the sexual organs we have. It is perfectly planned how the male's penis fits into the female's vagina and the semen carrying spermatozoa fertilizes the ova. When 2 homosexuals become intimate there is absolutely no way of possible reproduction because their similar sexual organs can't penetrate one another. Allah made sexual intercourse a certain way because it is the moral way to reproduce and continue the existence of human beings.

(January 18, 2016 at 9:12 am)Brian37 Wrote:

(January 18, 2016 at 8:46 am)Bella Morte Wrote: I have no idea what you mean by that.

It's a meme "squirrel" is simply a silly word used to denote someone getting distracted easily. Like men and boobs. Theism relies on the "boobs" of pretty stories, in an attempt to get you to be distracted by the "squirrel". Crude analogy but hopefully that explains it.

Kinda like when you fool someone with "Your shoe is untied," and you flick their chin as they look down and you say "Made you look".

Religion wants you distracted by clear crap because it is "pretty" like some people think squirrels are cute.

I meant the "wixy" part.

(January 18, 2016 at 8:59 am)AtlasS33 Wrote: I won't speak about homosexuality; but for sure I can speak about Sodom -the people of Lot-; the society where Lot immigrated to.
They were gay, but they were cutthroat bandits too, and as a society the were known for being raiders.

Quoting Lot -Peace be upon him- :


Quran :
( 28 )   And [mention] Lot, when he said to his people, "Indeed, you commit such immorality as no one has preceded you with from among the worlds.
( 29 )   Indeed, you approach men and obstruct the road and commit in your meetings [every] evil." And the answer of his people was not but they said, "Bring us the punishment of Allah, if you should be of the truthful."


Homosexuality also wasn't indiced by only lust; the people of Lot actually thought it was more moral than regular sex; it's obvious that they were thinking that homosexuality was the way to go :


The Quran; Sura 11.
( 77 )   And when Our messengers, [the angels], came to Lot, he was anguished for them and felt for them great discomfort and said, "This is a trying day."
( 78 )   And his people came hastening to him, and before [this] they had been doing evil deeds. He said, "O my people, these are my daughters; they are purer for you. So fear Allah and do not disgrace me concerning my guests. Is there not among you a man of reason?"
( 79 )   They said, "You have already known that we have not concerning your daughters any claim, and indeed, you know what we want."
( 80 )   He said, "If only I had against you some power or could take refuge in a strong support."
( 81 )   The angels said, "O Lot, indeed we are messengers of your Lord; [therefore], they will never reach you. So set out with your family during a portion of the night and let not any among you look back - except your wife; indeed, she will be struck by that which strikes them. Indeed, their appointment is [for] the morning. Is not the morning near?"


They are rapists. They raided the caravans and raped the men. Just like they wanted to do with Lot's guests -who were angles-.

Lot described the act twice, as being "ignorant" and "Lavish".

So? Hebrews and Christians have the same story, and?

Why all the drama? Is this god of Abraham of all three Jerry Springer? Is he the host of WWE pro wrestling? Sorry, but if you find morality in this story I feel sorry for you.

Maybe you should consider that Islam is simply a spin off of Christianity, and Christianity is a spin off of Hebrew, and even Hebrew is simply a spin off of Canaanite polytheism. Maybe you need to consider all three are merely inventions of competing humans.

The reason you don't rape is because it is harming another human being. The reason you don't hoard wealth is because it creates economic instability for the rest of society. You don't need the Koran or Bible or OT or Vedas or Buddha to figure out hurting other human beings, physically or economically is bad.

(January 18, 2016 at 9:15 am)Bella Morte Wrote:

(January 18, 2016 at 9:12 am)Brian37 Wrote: It's a meme "squirrel" is simply a silly word used to denote someone getting distracted easily. Like men and boobs. Theism relies on the "boobs" of pretty stories, in an attempt to get you to be distracted by the "squirrel". Crude analogy but hopefully that explains it.

Kinda like when you fool someone with "Your shoe is untied," and you flick their chin as they look down and you say "Made you look".

Religion wants you distracted by clear crap because it is "pretty" like some people think squirrels are cute.

I meant the "wixy" part.

I was simply being silly with "You aint just whistling Dixie". If you haven't heard that one. It merely is saying "I hear ya, you are right".

(January 18, 2016 at 9:14 am)Sheed1980 Wrote:

(January 18, 2016 at 8:50 am)ApeNotKillApe Wrote: I thought the question was pretty clear: What is it that's so immoral about homosexuality that it gives Allah reason to despise it? Why does an all-powerful being - a being who made up the laws of physics in his head - care so intensely about the sex lives of humans?

Because sexuality is not only a form of pleasure for us as humans its also the form of reproduction to continue our existence of mankind. If it were natural and acceptable in the sight of Allah He would've created 2 men to mate. But it is immoral and our bodies that Allah created show this as well. Now we are both adults and having an adult conversation so I hope u don't mind me mentioning the sexual organs we have. It is perfectly planned how the male's penis fits into the female's vagina and the semen carrying spermatozoa fertilizes the ova. When 2 homosexuals become intimate there is absolutely no way of possible reproduction because their similar sexual organs can't penetrate one another. Allah made sexual intercourse a certain way because it is the moral way to reproduce and continue the existence of human beings.

You are trying to prove one imaginary story by using another imaginary story... Some women cannot have children, is it a sin to marry and have sex with them? What about women after menopause, is it a sin then too? 

And a homosexual would probably tell you that the penis fits just fine in a variety of places.

I keep saying to myself I don't want to argue religious people, I don't know why I keep coming back... Some things I read just make me so mad... Why do you care where other people put their penises?? Just mind your own business and let others be... I am not referring to you personally but to the Islamic laws you no doubt support and your ideal Islamic nation who would kill all homosexuals...

Homophobia, and similar random prejudices, seem to be a very primal fear of people who are different in some way. I got bullied at school for simply refusing to act like everyone else. I must have presented some sort of weird threat in their mind, and they felt the need to attack first.

Is the Quran more homophobic than the bible? There is actually barely anything about it in the bible, way less than you'd think considering how homophobic Christians talk. Admittedly it does say man/man anal sex should result in death, but it only says it a couple of times. It says way more about other laws that Christians totally ignore.

(January 18, 2016 at 9:17 am)Brian37 Wrote: So? Hebrews and Christians have the same story, and?

Why all the drama? Is this god of Abraham of all three Jerry Springer? Is he the host of WWE pro wrestling? Sorry, but if you find morality in this story I feel sorry for you.

Maybe you should consider that Islam is simply a spin off of Christianity, and Christianity is a spin off of Hebrew, and even Hebrew is simply a spin off of Canaanite polytheism. Maybe you need to consider all three are merely inventions of competing humans.

The reason you don't rape is because it is harming another human being. The reason you don't hoard wealth is because it creates economic instability for the rest of society. You don't need the Koran or Bible or OT or Vedas or Buddha to figure out hurting other human beings, physically or economically is bad.

It's not my topic, Brian. I don't care currently if Islam was a cheap ripoff from Christianity : my context has "Sodom" on its name label.

Our brains are plastic. Our sexuality is formed by experience; please don't tell me you still believe our heads are static ?
When a society strips you of your sexual dreams and forces a certain scenario on you (which isn't natural), that is just plain evil. 

Our sexual fetishes also grow from experience. 

Raiding caravans, and creampying travelers by force is wrong. When you live in a society like Sodom's, you'll understand : that lifestyle make you gay. Plain and simple. They convert others by fore into being gays.

It's practiced in Saudi Arabia btw; the society there is just like Sodom.