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RE: My views on objective morality
March 8, 2016 at 9:22 am
(March 8, 2016 at 1:42 am)Catholic_Lady Wrote: (March 8, 2016 at 1:40 am)Mamacita Wrote: I know that. Yes.
Now I'm leaving this thread. Rape talk makes me feel sick.
No kidding. Try being accused of defending rape. Then you'll really know what it's like to feel sick. Really? CL, try knowing someone who has been raped the you will really know what it's like to feel sick. You're defending a cruel god. I'm on the side of someone I know who was actually raped and is currently struggling with everything that comes after. But you have it so hard. Excuse me. I'm out.
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RE: My views on objective morality
March 8, 2016 at 10:56 am
Mamacita Wrote:CL...
you are defending rape, if you defend the god who allows it to happen. You keep saying you will never know why he does things, because he is god and bla bla bla. You say that you're ok with now knowing. Again. Tell that to the victims. Tell that to the kid who was brainwashed into thinking the god loved her, and when she was being raped by a minister she prayed out loud hoping the god would save her, but it never happened. Sorry, kid. The dude's free will has a greater plan that you can't understand because you're tiny.
Yeah you think rape is evil and objectively wrong, but yet you defend a god who allows it to happen. Don't you see the picture? I mean, really?
Doesn't CL condemn rape in every way that actually matters, and you're saying she actually condones rape because of a theological point? That seems over the top, and trying to back her into a corner in a very personal and distressing way. What's your end goal with this?
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RE: My views on objective morality
March 8, 2016 at 11:08 am
Mamacita Wrote:Catholic_Lady Wrote:No kidding. Try being accused of defending rape. Then you'll really know what it's like to feel sick. Really? CL, try knowing someone who has been raped the you will really know what it's like to feel sick. You're defending a cruel god. I'm on the side of someone I know who was actually raped and is currently struggling with everything that comes after. But you have it so hard. Excuse me. I'm out.
On what basis do you think CL does not know someone who has been raped? And why are you switching from how it feels to talk about rape and being accused of defending rape to someone actually being raped? Are you going to respond to CL's every protest concerning your assertions that she condones rape by trying to find new ways to make her feel like shit?
You've been out before, only to return to get in another dig. Do you really mean it this time?
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RE: My views on objective morality
March 8, 2016 at 11:15 am
Sorry, I leave the thread for a few days, and when I come back, the topic seems to be trying to get CL to admit that she condones rape. There should be a level of discourse alarm on these things.
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RE: My views on objective morality
March 8, 2016 at 1:22 pm
(This post was last modified: March 8, 2016 at 7:53 pm by Whateverist.)
I'm flabbergasted. Are we really holding people accountable for worshiping a god we don't believe in on account of how we interpret the accounts of this nonexistent god? So we're basically telling them what they believe, is that it? You'd think we have enough experience of getting that from halfwit apologists not to embrace the very same tactics ourselves.
Oh well, being an atheist is no more a guarantee against acting a fool or an ass than is being a Christian. But this one isn't that hard. No, it isn't reasonable to expect others to give up their beliefs which they hold for their reasons -not yours- based on what you think it all means. This is called a mind fuck. C_L isn't condoning rape, she's enduring it. Not very friendly.
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RE: My views on objective morality
March 8, 2016 at 1:28 pm
(This post was last modified: March 8, 2016 at 1:28 pm by The Grand Nudger.)
I doubt than many find enduring rape to be all that troubling...excusing it or anyone's complicity in it, however.....regardless of the grounds or reasons...another story.
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RE: My views on objective morality
March 8, 2016 at 2:05 pm
(March 8, 2016 at 1:22 pm)Whateverist the White Wrote: So we're basically telling them what they believe, is that it?
You can make a very good guess what a Catholic, claiming to subscribe to dogma, believes. No reason to attack her though, based on what some passage in the bible says. Catholicism, as opposed to evangelical literalism, opens various escape routes not to be associated with the uglier parts of the god narrative.
I don't subscribe to Catholicism anymore, as is obvious, but it's fair to make a distinction between the likes of Drippy and CL. In tone as well as in what they actually believe.
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RE: My views on objective morality
March 8, 2016 at 2:46 pm
(March 8, 2016 at 1:28 pm)Rhythm Wrote: I doubt than many find enduring rape to be all that troubling...excusing it or anyone's complicity in it, however.....regardless of the grounds or reasons...another story.
I don't think that's exactly what she's doing, though. More like, rape is a really terrible thing and God wouldn't allow it unless there was some terrible consequence in disallowing it (which I guess would be the free will argument). I don't agree with that line of reasoning obviously, because an omnipredicated being should necessarily face no limits in how they construct reality, but I don't think it equates to "rape is okay" either.
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RE: My views on objective morality
March 8, 2016 at 2:51 pm
(This post was last modified: March 8, 2016 at 2:56 pm by The Grand Nudger.)
Excusing rape doesn't have to involve, nor have I ever claimed that it did involve, claiming that rape is okay. Only that it is excusable, or that complicity in it is excusable.
It's an objectively bad thing™ and people who are engaged in it or complicit to it are bad people™....I'm wholly against it and them...except when.. [fill in this shitty blank with nonsense of your own choosing]. Some fun examples include;
"my god is involved"
"it's part of a plan"
"it benefits us, somehow, to have it included"
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RE: My views on objective morality
March 8, 2016 at 3:32 pm
(March 8, 2016 at 2:51 pm)Rhythm Wrote: "my god is involved"
"it's part of a plan"
"it benefits us, somehow, to have it included"
Yeah, but Catholics don't go there. That's why some of the evangelists refuse to call them christian. Because they don't stick to every letter of the bible and cut the ugly parts out.
In my mind just a different approach to the old song "bend me shape me".
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