(March 9, 2016 at 11:53 pm)bennyboy Wrote: Okay, guys, I'd like to slam on the breaks.  I hope the fighting can stop, because I really do want to get back to the OP.  Specifically, I want to address a question to CL if she's still around.  I'd like a simple answer.  I'm willing to start discussion again in a spirit of support and all-embracing peace and love, if my question can be answered simply:

What logical reason do you have that causes you to believe that objective morality exists, or what evidence do you have that causes you to believe that objective morality exists?

Don't worry, I'm done with this thread - I've finally had enough of the royal assholes who think they and their darlings are the only people who have any right to say anything critical, and now they are denying that they even do that. I just got accused of lying about attacks against me which are plain to see in black and white. Enough with these sanctimonious hypocrites and their shit already! If you want to knock yourself out, feel free to and good luck!

So....my question is, why does it matter if objective morality exists if it's impossible to know if god really exists and/or what the objective morality is?

If you want to believe that somewhere out there a god exists and his morality is objective and you can't know 100% for sure what he believes is right or wrong but you're working towards it. How is that any different than not believing in objective morality and working towards being what you believe to be subjectively good. It seems like the same thing to me. So who really cares if there's an objective morality. I feel like I'm just as likely to get it right with my subjective morals based on personal experience and rational thinking as a religious person is based on guessing what they think god likes.

(March 9, 2016 at 11:19 pm)Losty Wrote: Of course Thump, because you Sir are a gentleman.

Lol, I'm so misunderstood!

(March 10, 2016 at 12:09 am)Thumpalumpacus Wrote:

(March 9, 2016 at 11:19 pm)Losty Wrote: Of course Thump, because you Sir are a gentleman.

Lol, I'm so misunderstood!

Did I misunderstand you? I was only trying to say that no one defended her against you because you weren't saying really mean things.

(March 10, 2016 at 12:07 am)Losty Wrote: So....my question is, why does it matter if objective morality exists if it's impossible to know if god really exists and/or what the objective morality is?

If you want to believe that somewhere out there a god exists and his morality is objective and you can't know 100% for sure what he believes is right or wrong but you're working towards it. How is that any different than not believing in objective morality and working towards being what you believe to be subjectively good. It seems like the same thing to me. So who really cares if there's an objective morality. I feel like I'm just as likely to get it right with my subjective morals based on personal experience and rational thinking as a religious person is based on guessing what they think god likes.

Relative and objective morals work together my love.

How close or how far from the truth, what knowledge, etc, are all important things to consider in relative morality.

Relative morality with objective morality makes sense. Relative morality without objective morality does not.

You and I definitely don't recognize a single good act as it truly is, and don't recognize an evil act as it truly is.  We see relative to our perceptions and luminosity and the hues we been given. However that relative perception would be impossible without some sort of relation to objective perception.

This is one of the signs of God in your Soul and your link to him sweetheart. 

If I'm being rude for reposting, let me say this: I plan to continue doing so unless told not to, because I'm interested in getting the OP back on track.  That being said:

I'm willing to start discussion again in a spirit of support and all-embracing peace and love, if my question can be answered simply:

CL, what logical reason do you have that causes you to believe that objective morality exists, or what evidence do you have that causes you to believe that objective morality exists?

(March 10, 2016 at 12:29 am)MysticKnight Wrote:

(March 10, 2016 at 12:07 am)Losty Wrote: So....my question is, why does it matter if objective morality exists if it's impossible to know if god really exists and/or what the objective morality is?

If you want to believe that somewhere out there a god exists and his morality is objective and you can't know 100% for sure what he believes is right or wrong but you're working towards it. How is that any different than not believing in objective morality and working towards being what you believe to be subjectively good. It seems like the same thing to me. So who really cares if there's an objective morality. I feel like I'm just as likely to get it right with my subjective morals based on personal experience and rational thinking as a religious person is based on guessing what they think god likes.

Relative and objective morals work together my love.

How close or how far from the truth, what knowledge, etc, are all important things to consider in relative morality.

Relative morality with objective morality makes sense. Relative morality without objective morality does not.

You and I definitely don't recognize a single good act as it truly is, and don't recognize an evil act as it truly is.  We see relative to our perceptions and luminosity and the hues we been given. However that relative perception would be impossible without some sort of relation to objective perception.

This is one of the signs of God in your Soul and your link to him sweetheart. 

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=KDFclOrzXeQ

(March 10, 2016 at 12:01 am)God of Mr. Hanky Wrote:

(March 9, 2016 at 11:49 pm)Nymphadora Wrote: Really? Show me where I did that or even said that. I did not name anyone in particular in this thread, during my defense of Cathy, so for you to state that I was attacking you, is an outright lie. And to say I did it using the excuse that I believe I should be a moderator? Don't you think that's a little far fetched, considering I never even said such a thing?

I'm not going to bother dealing with your shit anymore, Nympho. Your attacks against me over the past two days are in black and white, and you've really been a bigger cunt about everything than most theists which I've encountered. You've been acting like nobody other than you and your select few friends deserves any respect on this site, therefore you can go fuck yourself.

So you deliberately put words in my mouth and then when asked to show where I said what you assume I said, you tuck your tail and run.

Excuse me but I'll take being a cunt any day over being a fucking coward who doesn't have the balls to back up an accusation. You, sir, can go fuck YOURSELF.

I hope one day it will all click and you will understand. Insha'allah?

I feel very ashamed of myself for the way I handled things.

I still feel I had valid points to make, but I could have done so in my usual calm manner. Instead I allowed my emotions to get the better of me, and used unecessary pointed language.

I apologize again to CL, and to everyone. I will learn from this and try not to let it happen again. I'm trying not to be too hard on myself, I tend to beat myself up endlessly over mistakes. But I've been feeling pretty shitty since it happened. I feel I let everyone down and was partially responsible for all this uproar.