Well we're certainly not going to become Stalin's Russia by helping anyone, eh, lol?  That's just not something anyone is ever likely to hear;

"You know the problem with Russia under Stalin, too helpful"

(March 14, 2016 at 5:14 pm)Chad32 Wrote: Greece is not one of the countries Bernie Sanders listed when talking about what he plans to do economically. He mentions places like Denmark and Sweden.

He never mentions Venezuala or Cuba either.

http://www.msnbc.com/msnbc/cuban-venezue...-socialism

Socialism works great if the nations natural resources can be shared with the population, for example oil in Norway, but as soon as everyone gets used to the freebies and the price drops, suddenly people start going hungry. There limited building business and innovating and it really hinders the entrepreneurial spirit and competition to keep prices low, because the state subsidizes state business, which keeps products low quality, and forces the people to buy from limited companies. Communism is really just sugar to get people to believe in the idea of utopia that everything will be fair, but it's always meant to be a lie, because the elite always take control and dominate the people. By the time communist ideologically supporters accept the promise, it's too late to reverse. This is why large banks support communism. It's a guaranteed loan that the people will work to pay off. They key is making people content with being poor, which is what all dictators strive for, and why in China they limit the information that can reach the people. The last thing they want is for people to wake up, because they have the numbers.

Still don't understand why so many atheists still believe in Marxism, when it's always proven to be a scam.

A person that is capable of doing for themselves but is too lazy too do so should starve. If hunger won't motive you than nothing will.

(March 14, 2016 at 6:08 pm)scoobysnack Wrote:

(March 14, 2016 at 5:14 pm)Chad32 Wrote: Greece is not one of the countries Bernie Sanders listed when talking about what he plans to do economically. He mentions places like Denmark and Sweden.

He never mentions Venezuala or Cuba either.

http://www.msnbc.com/msnbc/cuban-venezue...-socialism

Socialism works great if the nations natural resources can be shared with the population, for example oil in Norway, but as soon as everyone gets used to the freebies and the price drops, suddenly people start going hungry. There limited building business and innovating and it really hinders the entrepreneurial spirit and competition to keep prices low, because the state subsidizes state business, which keeps products low quality, and forces the people to buy from limited companies. Communism is really just sugar to get people to believe in the idea of utopia that everything will be fair, but it's always meant to be a lie, because the elite always take control and dominate the people. By the time communist ideologically supporters accept the promise, it's too late to reverse. This is why large banks support communism. It's a guaranteed loan that the people will work to pay off. They key is making people content with being poor, which is what all dictators strive for, and why in China they limit the information that can reach the people. The last thing they want is for people to wake up, because they have the numbers.

Still don't understand why so many atheists still believe in Marxism, when it's always proven to be a scam.

We're not arguing for pure socialism. We're arguing for a mix of capitalism and socialism. Which does work, unlike pure capitalism or socialism.

(March 14, 2016 at 6:29 pm)KUSA Wrote: A person that is capable of doing for themselves but is too lazy too do so should starve. If hunger won't motive you than nothing will.

Well it's unethical to allow one of our fellow citizens to starve, we will combine our efforts to make sure everyone can survive, by taxing the working class, along with businesses. Soon as the unproductive population grows and the taxes are increased on working people, the incentive to not work will be greater if you can survive by not working, and working gives you less money. Then the dependent class will always vote for larger government to keep intact their free money which at that point they will feel entitled to. As the standard of living decreases on average corporations will be able to pay less and still remain competitive. What we have now is a dependent class that feels entitled to other people's money. Socialism will not work in the US. We are too diverse, and now the left can't distinguish between legal and illegal immigration, so illegals that don't pay to come here will demand more benefits, that citizens will pay for.

This is the communists implementing their plan to bring the nation down. Many of them are too stupid to know, they are inviting more people onto the boat beyond capacity, and will start demanding we all start making sacrifices to save the rest. The old left is good, but the neo left is a basket case mental disorder. They are being used.

(March 14, 2016 at 6:40 pm)Chad32 Wrote:

(March 14, 2016 at 6:08 pm)scoobysnack Wrote: He never mentions Venezuala or Cuba either.

http://www.msnbc.com/msnbc/cuban-venezue...-socialism

Socialism works great if the nations natural resources can be shared with the population, for example oil in Norway, but as soon as everyone gets used to the freebies and the price drops, suddenly people start going hungry. There limited building business and innovating and it really hinders the entrepreneurial spirit and competition to keep prices low, because the state subsidizes state business, which keeps products low quality, and forces the people to buy from limited companies. Communism is really just sugar to get people to believe in the idea of utopia that everything will be fair, but it's always meant to be a lie, because the elite always take control and dominate the people. By the time communist ideologically supporters accept the promise, it's too late to reverse. This is why large banks support communism. It's a guaranteed loan that the people will work to pay off. They key is making people content with being poor, which is what all dictators strive for, and why in China they limit the information that can reach the people. The last thing they want is for people to wake up, because they have the numbers.

Still don't understand why so many atheists still believe in Marxism, when it's always proven to be a scam.

We're not arguing for pure socialism. We're arguing for a mix of capitalism and socialism. Which does work, unlike pure capitalism or socialism.

That I agree with. A combination of both is probably best. We have that to an extent through Obama care, where my rates have gone up so people that can't afford it will still be allowed to get help from the insurance companies who bill the government which pays from the excess funds. Same with social security and disability, which I support. I like to help those who can't help themselves, but there is also a lot of abuse. I donate to charity voluntarily, and pay taxes which are mandatory.

I don't mind helping people that can't help themselves either. It's lazy fucks like Brian the taker that I find repulsive.

(March 14, 2016 at 6:55 pm)KUSA Wrote: I don't mind helping people that can't help themselves either. It's lazy fucks like Brian the taker that I find repulsive.

Ignorance is ugly. Trolling is stupid. Which are you?

Here's a good documentary of the weather underground on the reeducation camps of communist/socialist left in the US, calling for eliminating population, and taking over the government:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WaB_4u1fjkg

(March 14, 2016 at 6:29 pm)KUSA Wrote: A person that is capable of doing for themselves but is too lazy too do so should starve. If hunger won't motive you than nothing will.

What's the criteria for 'doesn't work' vs. 'can't work'? Who gets to choose? What happens when there's no work, or when the work pays so little that it's a net loss to do it for the laborer?

As one example, science and medicine cite anxiety and depression as illnesses which can cripple one's ability to be a productive worker. These two factors don't necessarily make one unable to perform work, but they can if severe enough.