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~~Little Rik~~ · March 22, 2016 at 9:35 am

(March 22, 2016 at 9:23 am)drfuzzy Wrote:
(March 22, 2016 at 4:45 am)Little Rik Wrote:

P.R.Sarkar my spiritual teacher said ...... I am here to give you spiritual guidance not material-physical
things.
I believe this is the reflexion of God or better say of an hypothetical God considering that to say that God exist is pure speculation to someone who has not experienced Him-Her.
Most religious people pray God for the daily bread (see paternoster prayer) or for something material-physical (money or physical healing) but they get nothing like that.
I can not read your mind and know why you were interested in God in the past.
What i know is that anyone really interested in Him-Her and not in something material will always get Him.

At the end i believe that everybody and everything will merge in the ocean of cosmic consciousness

so it is really your problem whether you wish to lengthen the time you will get there or you soon or later will change your mind and try to get there faster.
That is your problem and your life.
My being here is not to interfere with your life.
There is no permanent hell as described by religious dickheads but there is an hell in having to be born again and again and continuously delay the liberation from the constraint of the physical reality.
After million years of travelling through matter, vegetable life, animal life and human life an intelligent person wish to go back home where he-she belong.
That is natural but many people get stuck in the material-physical reality in such a way that they can not
comprehend their foolishness.
Here it is where i like to argue about.
This arguing make me feel really good as i feel how lucky I am in understanding how the whole system works and how good is to speed up my return home where I really belong.
If during this arguing then some people realize how wrong they are so much better.
I am rather happy to do some charity work as well but that is a consequence of the real reason.
Secondly i also like to interact with other people and by writing in English I also improve the language
that as you know is not my mother language. :

Good. You've presented your fantasy. Nobody knows what happens after death, so we'll see then. Have a nice next life.

Wrong again fuzzy.
Actually a lot of people know what happen after the physical death.

http://www.nderf.org/NDERF/NDE_Archives/...counts.htm

Mudhammam · March 22, 2016 at 10:23 am

It really depends on what you mean by god... Your logic is valid insofar as the size AND hostility of the universe with respects to human life seems to contradict any notion that creation was primarily accomplished with human beings in mind. So, you have an argument for atheism to the extent that your idea of god entails such an anthropomorphic intention.

drfuzzy · March 22, 2016 at 11:14 am

(March 22, 2016 at 10:23 am)Mudhammam Wrote: It really depends on what you mean by god... Your logic is valid insofar as the size AND hostility of the universe with respects to human life seems to contradict any notion that creation was primarily accomplished with human beings in mind. So, you have an argument for atheism to the extent that your idea of god entails such an anthropomorphic intention.

Precisely, Mudhammam. I was referring to the generic xtian concept of a sky-daddy who created the earth and put humans on it. IF there is a creator (and that's a pretty huge "if" for me), this being is ever-so-much-bigger than the sky-daddy war-god redeemer watching over individual humans concept.

drfuzzy · (This post was last modified: March 22, 2016 at 12:48 pm by drfuzzy.)

(March 22, 2016 at 9:35 am)Little Rik Wrote:
(March 22, 2016 at 9:23 am)drfuzzy Wrote: Good. You've presented your fantasy. Nobody knows what happens after death, so we'll see then. Have a nice next life.

Wrong again fuzzy.
Actually a lot of people know what happen after the physical death.

http://www.nderf.org/NDERF/NDE_Archives/...counts.htm

Oh good grief. NDE's were beat to death in another thread recently. Of COURSE you love that bit of woo as well. Me, I'm going with science again. NDE's are caused by dying receptors in the brain. Doctors have replicated the NDE experience multiple times using ketamine. Folks have studied it in detail. http://www.koestler-parapsychology.psy.e...attNDE.pdf
And unlike some other very patient people on this forum, my bullshit/woo tolerance is rather low. You have crossed into annoying. Go pester somebody else.

**Whateverist** · March 23, 2016 at 2:09 am

(March 22, 2016 at 9:35 am)Little Rik Wrote:
(March 22, 2016 at 9:23 am)drfuzzy Wrote: Good. You've presented your fantasy. Nobody knows what happens after death, so we'll see then. Have a nice next life.

Wrong again fuzzy.
Actually a lot of people know what happen after the physical death.

http://www.nderf.org/NDERF/NDE_Archives/...counts.htm

Yeah but that only includes people who have the flimsiest idea of what "know" means. And no, you don't know .. they don't know .. no one living knows what happens after physical death. But I harbor the supposition that we return like compost to the biosphere (or get packed into little concrete boxes to postpone that event). At that time, I assume, all the chemical, electrical and emergent phenomena supported by the brain will cease.

I suspect you suppose something else. I suppose you think you know only you really know. I don't really know but I reject your claims of swami-hood.

**robvalue** · March 23, 2016 at 3:38 am

Exactly. This is why stating things as fact that you can't demonstrate to be (probably) true is pointless.

~~Little Rik~~ · March 23, 2016 at 3:47 am

(March 23, 2016 at 2:09 am)Whateverist the White Wrote:
(March 22, 2016 at 9:35 am)Little Rik Wrote: Wrong again fuzzy.
Actually a lot of people know what happen after the physical death.

http://www.nderf.org/NDERF/NDE_Archives/...counts.htm

Yeah but that only includes people who have the flimsiest idea of what "know" means. And no, you don't know .. they don't know .. no one living knows what happens after physical death. But I harbor the supposition that we return like compost to the biosphere (or get packed into little concrete boxes to postpone that event). At that time, I assume, all the chemical, electrical and emergent phenomena supported by the brain will cease.

I suspect you suppose something else. I suppose you think you know only you really know. I don't really know but I reject your claims of swami-hood.

It is absolutely bizarre guys.
Few weeks ago some of you came up with the suggestion that i should read the most important study
done by Dr Parnia (an expert in the field of the brain-consciousness) so i would know that NDEs are all bullshit.
Well well, guess what.
I did read that report and guess what Dr Parnia said?
He said that there is not evidence that NDEs are real but at the same time he said that there is also no evidence that they are not real and conclude saying that more study need to be done.
Eh eh. Smile

**robvalue** · (This post was last modified: March 23, 2016 at 3:59 am by robvalue.)

There can never be any evidence they're not real. Just more likely explanations. That doesn't make them probable, or even possible.

Good on you for reading it though. No evidence they are real: that's the important part. Beliefs should be based on evidence, if you care about what is real and what is not.

~~Little Rik~~ · March 23, 2016 at 4:22 am

(March 23, 2016 at 3:57 am)robvalue Wrote: There can never be any evidence they're not real. Just more likely explanations. That doesn't make them probable, or even possible.

Good on you for reading it though. No evidence they are real: that's the important part. Beliefs should be based on evidence, if you care about what is real and what is not.

A lot of EX atheists thought the same thing until they had an NDE. Smile

**robvalue** · (This post was last modified: March 23, 2016 at 4:39 am by robvalue.)

All that shows is they are unable to critically examine their own experiences.

Also, afterlife and "God" are two seperate things. One can exist without the other.

My wife believes in afterlives, but not in God. As do many Buddhists.

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