New York has banned the use of smokeless tobacco at sports facilities that sell tickets expressly for the purpose of potentially removing an influence to minors. For fuck's sake. Homeless and poor people have it rough and this is what passes the time. Let's ban smokeless tobacco, but by all means continue with the ubiquitous crotch grabbing and spitting in general. I find it ironic that they claim concern about what children may learn from ball players, but have no problem teaching them to be busy body idiots hell bent on depriving someone a basic pleasure for the sake of some unfounded influence by using political power which is ultimately enforced with the muzzle of a gun.

Land of the free my ass.

http://www.nytimes.com/2016/04/07/sports...icle-click

Generally I don't really care about being the land of the free. But in this case, I don't see the sense in outlawing people from doing things that only hurt themselves but no one else.

Land of the free. If you're male, white, heterosexual, identify as your born gender, and christian. otherwise restrictions may apply.

I worked in a tobacco free work place for years. No smoking or chewing during work hours or on the property (I hear it applies to vaping now also). Also, if traveling for the company tobacco free extended to that work place, during work hours also. As a smoker, I got through it no problem, sometimes for 8 hours at a time. Came down to my job being more important to me than smoking.

I may be wrong, but it appears this only effects employees/players. Will they enforce this against the ticket buyers?

Hey Losty, take a swig out of a beer can that has been used as a repository. Trust me, you'll be hurt.

(April 7, 2016 at 11:54 am)Cato Wrote: . . . they claim concern about what children may learn . . .

My goodness gracious !!!

(April 7, 2016 at 12:12 pm)Chad32 Wrote: Land of the free. If you're male, white, heterosexual, identify as your born gender, and christian. otherwise restrictions may apply.

If you add 'liberal', you jest described the assholes responsible for the helicopter parent law.

(April 7, 2016 at 11:54 am)Cato Wrote: New York has banned the use of smokeless tobacco at sports facilities that sell tickets expressly for the purpose of potentially removing an influence to minors. For fuck's sake. Homeless and poor people have it rough and this is what passes the time. Let's ban smokeless tobacco, but by all means continue with the ubiquitous crotch grabbing and spitting in general. I find it ironic that they claim concern about what children may learn from ball players, but have no problem teaching them to be busy body idiots hell bent on depriving someone a basic pleasure for the sake of some unfounded influence by using political power which is ultimately enforced with the muzzle of a gun.

Land of the free my ass.

http://www.nytimes.com/2016/04/07/sports...icle-click

America was founded as a police state.  It's in the Constitution.

(April 8, 2016 at 1:36 am)Wyrd of Gawd Wrote: America was founded as a police state.  It's in the Constitution.

Show me.

(April 8, 2016 at 1:51 am)Cato Wrote:

(April 8, 2016 at 1:36 am)Wyrd of Gawd Wrote: America was founded as a police state.  It's in the Constitution.

Show me.

You overlooked that article about slavery being the law of the land.  They kept it enforced by passing such things as the Fugitive Slave Act.  It basically put bounties on all black people wherever they were in America or the territories.  Sounds like a police state to me.

http://www.archives.gov/exhibits/charter...cript.html
Article IV. Section 2 = No Person held to Service or Labour in one State, under the Laws thereof, escaping into another, shall, in Consequence of any Law or Regulation therein, be discharged from such Service or Labour, but shall be delivered up on Claim of the Party to whom such Service or Labour may be due.

http://georgiainfo.galileo.usg.edu/topic...on-of-1798
Georgia Constitution 1798 Article IV Section 11 = "Section 11. There shall be no future importation of slaves into this State, from Africa or any foreign place, after the first day of October next. The legislature shall have no power to pass laws for the emancipation of slaves without the consent of each of the respective owners, previous to such emancipation. They shall have no power to prevent emigrants from either of the United States to this State from bringing with them such persons as may be deemed slaves by the laws of any one of the United States."

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fugitive_S...ct_of_1850

http://felonvoting.procon.org/sourcefile...tution.pdf
Texas Constitution 1845 Article VIII Slaves =ARTICLE VIII. SLAVES.
SECTION 1.

http://tarlton.law.utexas.edu/constituti...xas1861/a8
Texas Constitution 1861 Article VIII Slaves =

You can't have legal slavery and Jim Crow laws unless you have a police state.  America was established as a police state and still functions as one.

(April 7, 2016 at 11:54 am)Cato Wrote: New York has banned the use of smokeless tobacco at sports facilities that sell tickets expressly for the purpose of potentially removing an influence to minors. For fuck's sake. Homeless and poor people have it rough and this is what passes the time. Let's ban smokeless tobacco, but by all means continue with the ubiquitous crotch grabbing and spitting in general. I find it ironic that they claim concern about what children may learn from ball players, but have no problem teaching them to be busy body idiots hell bent on depriving someone a basic pleasure for the sake of some unfounded influence by using political power which is ultimately enforced with the muzzle of a gun.

Land of the free my ass.

http://www.nytimes.com/2016/04/07/sports...icle-click

I'm not a doctor but pretty sure grabbing your crotch and spitting in general doesn't give you crotch or mouth cancer. Might be wrong, but pretty sure... So role models should be allowed to unintentionally advocate health harming habits... cause freedom?

Not sure but I think they are paid like, I dunno employees? I also think that the MLB is like a big deal when it comes to role modeling and image and general cultural influence?

Probably wrong about all this but maybe not having the role models of young people in a big cultural sport endorse indirectly (but pretty clearly) use of tobacco might be a good thing?

Probably just typing out my ass cause you know... freedom!