(April 13, 2016 at 11:34 am)Drich Wrote:

(April 13, 2016 at 10:27 am)Crossless1 Wrote: And again, you keep on about GID, which is going away as a diagnostic category in DSM once the fifth edition comes out. Why do I have to repeat this again?

IDK how you do not understand this yet, but I use proper/offical terms when I speak/write. I also choose my words very carefully and use them in accordance to their actual definitions.

As of 11:33am est on 4-13-16 GID is the proper clinical term. That is what I am going with till it changes.

Well then, I look forward to your re-evaluation of your entire line of reasoning when the normative source of clinical terms in the psychological/psychiatric communities drops the bottom out of your argument.

Somehow, though, I doubt you will be so scrupulous about using proper terminology when the time comes -- soon.

When the terminology changes, crazy people instantly become sane.

He's playing stupid word games because his argument has -1 legs to stand on without them.

(April 13, 2016 at 10:53 am)TheRocketSurgeon Wrote: I'm having this same stupid discussion with a Facebook buddy from back home (Lousy-anna). He is advancing almost the same arguments, words-for-word, which tells me that there's a propaganda machine manufacturing fear.

There is nothing stopping a pervert from pretending to be a woman, in order to accomplish what you claim. There are already laws against stalking, harassment that causes fear, assault, and rape. Why another law that specifically targets trans people? What would it even do except to declare that they have to walk into a MEN's bathroom looking completely like a woman?

I mean, seriously, do you honestly think that a law which bans genitals from a particular restroom will stop a rapist (or other criminal) from going into a women's room in disguise? The only possible purpose for this legislation is to express contempt for the trans community, after manufacturing a threat the politicians can "solve".

The force your up against isn't propaganda it's just what is left of this country's integrity and common sense. I did my own research and read my own books thank you very much, if we happen to come to the same conclusion it's because we are arguing the same truth.

being a member of the 'country club' you very well know that their are premeditated crimes and crimes of oppertunity.

Obviously bathroom laws will not stop someone who has planned to rape a woman dressed as a woman in a woman's bathroom. but it will eliminate the perv for starts out going into a women's bathroom to spank it to some chick dropping a deuce, and allowing him to escalate himself to rape.

(April 13, 2016 at 11:00 am)TheRocketSurgeon Wrote:

(April 13, 2016 at 10:50 am)Drich Wrote: Don't be stupid. If the same bald guy who posts video's on this forum walks into a woman's bathroom claiming to be a woman, anyone with the gift of sight know your full of crap, and women will exit the bathroom or you will be escorted out.

There will be no need for a genital check.

If you pulled that crap in my place of business and insisted, a genital check would most likly come in the form of a swift kick in the twig and berries. if you double over and wet yourself then I'd say problem solved and you can go on your way.

Drich, the fact that you think that guy represents a trans person shows just how ignorant you are.

Which is the cis woman and which is the transsexual?

Cisgender (often abbreviated to simply cis) is a label for those whose experiences of their own gender agree with the sex they were assigned at birth. It may also be defined as those who have "a gender identity or perform a gender role society considers appropriate for one's sex."[1] It is a complement to the term transgender.[2]

There are a number of derivatives of the term in use, including cis male for "male assigned male at birth", cis female for "female assigned female at birth", analogously "cis man" and "cis woman", as well as cissexism (or "cissexual assumption" or "cisnormativity").

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cisgender

does prison interwebs not have google?

Assshole, "cis" in normal use simply refers to a person who identifies with their birth-gender, or what you'd call "normal". It's a complement to trans because it is its opposite. Fucking learn something.

And you didn't answer my question. Which of those two women was born male?

(April 13, 2016 at 11:49 am)Drich Wrote: does prison interwebs not have google?

Still taking the high road, I see. Well done, Jesus.

(April 13, 2016 at 11:00 am)LadyForCamus Wrote:

(April 13, 2016 at 10:36 am)Drich Wrote: no, thats what small minded people want it to boil down to so they do not have to acknowledge the larger social issues.

The problem with small minded people is they tend to think wide left, and when someone does not agree with their wide left programming they try and play the race/bigotry card.

Typical kill the messenger (by labeling the messenger someone acceptable to hate or be intolerant against) which allows the self righteous left winger to feel justified in dismissing the message.

Wake up, this isn't 1999 anymore, and you are not Bill Marr. It's time to try and learn to think for your self. I listed a whole long list of reason why legislation that supports a minority of a minority is not good for the people in this or another country. I've also repeatedly said that transsexuals are not at the core of my disagreement with this action, it is those looking to exploit this allowance or loop hole to prey on the opposite sex while they are in a vulnerable position.

What I did say that pertains to transsexuals is this will also enable those who suffer from GID that go untreated (which according to the Mayo clinic is the vast majority) will be enabled to put off treatment even longer.

The sexual assault angle on this is pure garbage, Drich.  Not to mention another slippery slope.  Any sex offender could follow any woman into a deserted public restroom and assault her with minimal amount of forethought and planning.  I mean, have you ever been in a Thru way rest stop at 1 am?  

So, by your train of thought, no one with a penis should be allowed anywhere NEAR the ladies room at all, regardless of how they are dressed.  So, why not work toward legislation to keep all men 100 feet away from public women's rooms?   I mean, since women aren't safe to go to the bathroom in public.  [emoji849]

Two things you example is not one I've listed.

Second I have posted 3 local news stories of sexual assualts against women in bathrooms from supposed 'transgendered/pervs pretending to be.'

From a rape on the bathroom floor to some dude in a dress planting spy cams.

Don't tell me it's crap, it's happening now and local new agencies are reporting it. National news will not because they are trying to push the lgbt agenda.

(April 13, 2016 at 11:11 am)TheRocketSurgeon Wrote:

(April 13, 2016 at 10:59 am)Drich Wrote: Hypocrites!

This is how Jesus felt when trying to teach the pharisees.

It's not hypocrisy. Many laws and policies are based on feelings, such as the stalking law I mentioned earlier (it must demonstrably cause "fear or alarm", in most statutes' wording), as well as laws about threats made. 

Besides it's not just about how they feel.  It's who they are at the deepest possible level. It's so strong that the dysphoria causes severe psychological issues until resolved (if the person decides the surgery/hormone therapies are worth it, of course), which is why it's in the DSM5. Basically, it's people like you who hurt them so badly based on a freakin' body-part, which causes it. You should read about it. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gender_dysphoria

If you  were objective, instead of reacting emotionally to something that you find disgusting, you could see this clearly instead of clucking like a pair of hens and patting yourself on the back for finding a bit of (false) righteous indignation to make you feel like Jesus.

actually used that link acouple of times myself.

(April 13, 2016 at 11:21 am)Vincent Wrote:

(April 13, 2016 at 9:43 am)Drich Wrote: lol

That's like looking down the barrel of an disassembled gun.

Yes normally looking down that barrel (with all parts intact) can be very intimidating, but when you know the 'bang' is taken out of the gun, then it becomes a paper weight.

That is literally the worst and most immature response to this actual legitimate issue I have ever heard.

lol then I must be pretty close to a nerve.

(April 13, 2016 at 11:54 am)Drich Wrote: actually used that link acouple of times myself.

You clearly didn't read it, because it doesn't back up your claims in any way, except to note that the condition is found in the DSM.

The only "problems" people with GID appear to have is that people like you make them suicidally depressed and prone to eating disorders.