CL, I agreed with you that we should consider that it might be easier, but upon actually considering it, I don't see how it is actually easier. If someone can provide a convincing argument otherwise I'm open to it.

(April 15, 2016 at 8:51 pm)abaris Wrote:

(April 15, 2016 at 8:48 pm)paulpablo Wrote: Well it would be easier to peep at women using the toilets if you're inside the restroom more so than if you're outside the restroom.

Easier, as in not locking your stall. Or leaving the stall door open for all to have an enjoyable display. Which in itself would make the case for a lovely sexual harrassment suit. It's not as if women's bathrooms feature a set of urinals.

They use mirrors and plant hidden cameras.

(April 15, 2016 at 9:16 pm)Losty Wrote:

(April 15, 2016 at 9:14 pm)paulpablo Wrote: Well you're not really making an argument.  You're just saying "He has to do it because the laws are there.  What you said is stupid".  That's not really an argument.

I'm not saying there isn't an argument to be said against what I'm saying but you're not making any sort of sensible argument.

You're right. Your argument about how bakers being forced to make cakes for gays is the same as women being forced to fuck any man who wants her was so much more sensible

I wasn't specifically talking about bakers making cakes for gays in my example I was talking about hiring policies.  But yes that comparison does also work as I pointed out in my other post.

They both involve people having control over what they own.

Also, CL, do us a favour and stop assuming all perverts are men please, we're not all a bunch of dickbags.

Where i live, i've seen and been subject to a lot more sexual harassment from women, than from men. (Not that i haven't seen men do stupid shit, of course.) So please stop with that silly assumption, it just serves to annoy people.

(April 15, 2016 at 9:19 pm)Catholic_Lady Wrote:

(April 15, 2016 at 8:51 pm)abaris Wrote: Easier, as in not locking your stall. Or leaving the stall door open for all to have an enjoyable display. Which in itself would make the case for a lovely sexual harrassment suit. It's not as if women's bathrooms feature a set of urinals.

They use mirrors and plant hidden cameras.

Okay...anyone who is willing to go to that trouble to peep would certainly have NO problem dressing up in convincing drag to accomplish their goal regardless of the bathroom laws. So...again...we aren't preventing peeping toms at all by disallowing the transgendered to use the bathroom they identify with...

(April 15, 2016 at 9:20 pm)Jello Wrote: Also, CL, do us a favour and stop assuming all perverts are men please, we're not all a bunch of dickbags.

Where i live, i've seen and been subject to a lot more sexual harassment from women, than from men. (Not that i haven't seen men do stupid shit, of course.) So please stop with that silly assumption, it just serves to annoy people.

I haven't kept up with CL's posts but can you point to where she said that all perverts are men, meaning that no women are perverts?  Did CL ever say that no women are perverts in a post?  Could you copy and paste where she said it because I've never seen it.

(April 15, 2016 at 9:19 pm)paulpablo Wrote:

(April 15, 2016 at 9:16 pm)Losty Wrote: You're right. Your argument about how bakers being forced to make cakes for gays is the same as women being forced to fuck any man who wants her was so much more sensible

I wasn't specifically talking about bakers making cakes for gays in my example I was talking about hiring policies.  But yes that comparison does also work as I pointed out in my other post.

They both involve people having control over what they own.

One is providing a service. The other one is just a person minding her own business. And since when does having sex with a man mean I am offering up control over what I own? What planet do you live on?

(April 15, 2016 at 9:20 pm)Jello Wrote: Also, CL, do us a favour and stop assuming all perverts are men please, we're not all a bunch of dickbags.

Where i live, i've seen and been subject to a lot more sexual harassment from women, than from men. (Not that i haven't seen men do stupid shit, of course.) So please stop with that silly assumption, it just serves to annoy people.

She isn't doing that. It's just the line of thought we happened to be discussing at the moment.

(April 15, 2016 at 9:19 pm)Catholic_Lady Wrote:

(April 15, 2016 at 8:51 pm)abaris Wrote: Easier, as in not locking your stall. Or leaving the stall door open for all to have an enjoyable display. Which in itself would make the case for a lovely sexual harrassment suit. It's not as if women's bathrooms feature a set of urinals.

They use mirrors and plant hidden cameras.

Do you think there is a legitimate reason to believe that disallowing transwoman to continue using whatever restroom they're comfortable using will decrease the risk of this happening?

(April 15, 2016 at 9:22 pm)paulpablo Wrote:

(April 15, 2016 at 9:20 pm)Jello Wrote: Also, CL, do us a favour and stop assuming all perverts are men please, we're not all a bunch of dickbags.

Where i live, i've seen and been subject to a lot more sexual harassment from women, than from men. (Not that i haven't seen men do stupid shit, of course.) So please stop with that silly assumption, it just serves to annoy people.

I haven't kept up with CL's posts but can you point to where she said that all perverts are men, meaning that no women are perverts?  Did CL ever say that no women are perverts in a post?  Could you copy and paste where she said it because I've never seen it.

As far as i've seen, whenever she's talked about perverts, it's always been men perving on women, when quite the opposite does happen, which was what i was referring to with my request to acknowledge that the opposite does happen. She hasn't explicitly stated it, but without acknowledging the other at all, it does come off as such.