(May 24, 2016 at 7:13 am)Jörmungandr Wrote: Got evidence?
No?  That makes you nothing but a deluded crank.

Actually I got tons of evidence yog but the best evidence is that in this material-physical dimension there
is NO such a thing as progress.
You can keep on masturbating your brains while picking up your nose that there is progress
but the evidence prove the contrary.
For every step forward there is a step backward.  

Look at the new strain of E. coli resistant to the antibiotic colistin.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/to-y...d-the-u-s/

You guys keep on saying that medicine is such an example of progress.
What a crap!
Where is the progress considering that as soon as one disease is a bit under control a new one pop up
with no end in sight?
Atheists rely on physical science but this science is only a temporary help not a permanent solution.
There is nothing permanent in this finite universe and yet you guys are stuck to the idea that only this
limited and casual dimension can offer something good.  

You guys live in world of fantasy and therefore wasting your time chasing a ghost
that is why it is you and not me that are a bunch of deluded cranks 

(May 27, 2016 at 9:13 am)Little Rik Wrote: You guys keep on saying that medicine is such an example of progress.
What a crap!

You...have heard of vaccines, right?

(May 27, 2016 at 9:21 am)FatAndFaithless Wrote:

(May 27, 2016 at 9:13 am)Little Rik Wrote: You guys keep on saying that medicine is such an example of progress.
What a crap!

You...have heard of vaccines, right?

About twenty years ago, my mum suffered a brain haemorrhage. Had she been living a century earlier, it would have been fatal. 100% probability. Due to modern medical SCIENCE she was able to get immediate emergency surgery to repair the burst blood vesselsand save her life. After a few months in hospital, she went on to make a full recovery and enjoy her life as though nothing happened. She's still with us today precisely because she wasn't left at the mercy of idiots standing around holding hands, chanting mantras and using intuition to guess what the problem was and how to heal it with mystical burbling bullshit.

(May 27, 2016 at 9:21 am)FatAndFaithless Wrote:

(May 27, 2016 at 9:13 am)Little Rik Wrote: You guys keep on saying that medicine is such an example of progress.
What a crap!

You...have heard of vaccines, right?

I'm going to say, no, he has not heard of vaccines. Nor has he ever received a vaccine.
Because if he had, then he would know that modern medicine is 'not a crap'.

(May 27, 2016 at 9:13 am)Little Rik Wrote: Where is the progress considering that as soon as one disease is a bit under control a new one pop up with no end in sight?

It is called evolution.

(May 27, 2016 at 9:13 am)Little Rik Wrote:

(May 24, 2016 at 7:13 am)Jörmungandr Wrote: Got evidence?
No?  That makes you nothing but a deluded crank.

Actually I got tons of evidence yog but the best evidence is that in this material-physical dimension there
is NO such a thing as progress.

In what way is that evidence? It isn't even about what you believe. So here's your trick. You focus on what you perceive as weaknesses in our beliefs to avoid having to focus on those of yours. It's nothing but a distraction.

So if you've got tons of evidence, why don't you present some.

1. The pineal gland is involved in consciousness
2. consciousness is separate from the brain
3. meditation leads to insight into the nature of consciousness
4. people reincarnate
5. conscious perception is more than a physical phenomena
6. there is a scale of progress in the spiritual dimension
7. there is a spiritual dimension

(May 27, 2016 at 9:54 am)Stimbo Wrote: About twenty years ago, my mum suffered a brain haemorrhage. Had she been living a century earlier, it would have been fatal. 100% probability. Due to modern medical SCIENCE she was able to get immediate emergency surgery to repair the burst blood vesselsand save her life. After a few months in hospital, she went on to make a full recovery and enjoy her life as though nothing happened. She's still with us today precisely because she wasn't left at the mercy of idiots standing around holding hands, chanting mantras and using intuition to guess what the problem was and how to heal it with mystical burbling bullshit.

Clap, clap Mister know everything.      

Unfortunately you fail once again.  

I was talking about progress just to remind you while you talk about survival.  

But let me explain your problem mate.
You guys go around with the blinkers on your eyes.  
In this way you think that there is only one life.
No other option apply so to live (physically speaking) longer equal to progress.
It remind me the hippies in the 70's that instead of getting rid of the old jeans and getting a new pair
they kept on patching them up or those who keep on fixing the old car year after year even when
it look like a piece of museum.
Human being of course can not be compared to objects so it is obvious that something should be
done to help them as much as we can to live longer.
Said this it is important to see the issue without the blinkers on our eyes.
Who said that there is only one life?
Where is the evidence?
Suppose instead that the life continue and it would be so much better to get out the old sick body
and move to a new life with a new body.
This would be progress.
Wouldn't you be happy to get rid of the old car and ride a new car?
Progress is making a step forward.  

Where suppose to be this step forward in being stuck in an old sick body for longer?
You should read some NDEs experiences to see how happy are those who left their old body and how sad
are the same people when they are forced to go back in their old body but of course going around with the blinkers on your eyes you can't see the full picture so you are confusing the survival with real progress.

(May 27, 2016 at 10:32 am)LostLocke Wrote:

(May 27, 2016 at 9:21 am)FatAndFaithless Wrote: You...have heard of vaccines, right?

I'm going to say, no, he has not heard of vaccines. Nor has he ever received a vaccine.
Because if he had, then he would know that modern medicine is 'not a crap'.

Read properly son.
I say that to think that medicine equal to progress is crap
not that medicine is crap.
Capish?
Modern medicine equal to survival which has nothing to do with progress.
Right?  

(May 27, 2016 at 12:01 pm)IATIA Wrote:

(May 27, 2016 at 9:13 am)Little Rik Wrote: Where is the progress considering that as soon as one disease is a bit under control a new one pop up with no end in sight?

It is called evolution.

I wish you guys know what evolution is all about.