(July 2, 2016 at 8:44 am)Little Rik Wrote:

(July 1, 2016 at 11:33 am)Stimbo Wrote: I present to the ladies and gedderbong of the court that the defendant chose to deflect with red herrings rather than actually address the question.

I presented many challenges to you guys and every time you back off in fear
for the simple reason that you haven't got the slightest clue about these important issues.  

I presented the issue of philosophy.
I presented the issue of evolution.
I presented the issue of whether progress existed in this finite universe just to mention few and every time you fail to come up with anything that make any sense.

If I could present these arguments to a jury of independent people the verdict
would be disastrous for you guys.
It would kill you and I don't want that after all we all have been dreamers in the past.
Let us just hope that granny was correct in saying that is never too late to learn.  

That's right, the people here are conspiring to disagree with you. We're not independent. You're full of excuses. As I said before, it's not a matter of whether we can respond to your satisfaction to your loaded questions that determines whether your case has merit, it's the balance of evidence that you can bring for your worldview. In that department you've failed completely. The best evidence you have are a small handful of unexplained veridical NDEs. The rest is a bunch of analogies and bare assertions from you, which don't mean shit. Your poking holes in someone else's explanation, even if successful, doesn't count one lick toward vindicating your own. On that measure you've been a total loser. And your previous post to me is indicative of the type of trash that your arguments consist of, being nothing more than unofficial opinion pieces. You link to health nut websites and other extremists whose views don't count for shit. You wouldn't know good evidence if it reached up and bit you. So where's your evidence for reincarnation? For microvita? For karma? Where's your evidence that consciousness is intangible?

(July 2, 2016 at 1:49 pm)Jörmungandr Wrote:

(July 2, 2016 at 8:21 am)Little Rik Wrote: ..................greed itself is a form of irrational behavior which should be considered a psychological disorder when too extreme.................

http://www.thomhartmann.com/users/natura...l-disorder
http://www.whywesuffer.com/greed-as-a-me...-disorder/
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/mitchell-j...56791.html

Asshat.  The first doesn't even support your point as it's talking about greed being an aspect of two recognized mental disorders.  Did you even read this, or did you just look at the headline?  The other two are people suggesting that it be considered a disorder.  That's not evidence that it is a disorder.

Total fail.

(July 2, 2016 at 8:21 am)Little Rik Wrote: In short, I’m suggesting that greed, which is the pursuit and acquisition of money at any expense, is a pathological activity, is actually an addiction, and should be societally regarded as such. When it harms others or the environment, it is also a form of criminal insanity and should be treated legally and psychologically as such.

You're using an example of the extreme as representative of the middle.  It's bogus.  And your 'suggesting' it is so doesn't make it so.  A mental illness is a set of behaviors which are either seriously maladaptive in one or more life spheres, or causes the individual unmanageable distress.  Ordinary greed doesn't fit either of those.

Fail again.

Yours  yog is totally dishonesty.
You are just a dreamer not a doctor and an expert in mental diseases and yet you try to knock down the opinion of the experts in the field.
If you don't like the opinion of these experts all you have to do is click in your search engine..........greed mental disease......... to find countless of other opinions and all of them agree that greed is a mental disease.

Now you fail twice.  
One for deny that greed is a mental disease.
Two for trying to say that you got more expertise than the real experts.
Shame on you yog.  

(July 2, 2016 at 2:02 pm)Jörmungandr Wrote:

(July 2, 2016 at 8:44 am)Little Rik Wrote: I presented many challenges to you guys and every time you back off in fear
for the simple reason that you haven't got the slightest clue about these important issues.  

I presented the issue of philosophy.
I presented the issue of evolution.
I presented the issue of whether progress existed in this finite universe just to mention few and every time you fail to come up with anything that make any sense.

If I could present these arguments to a jury of independent people the verdict
would be disastrous for you guys.
It would kill you and I don't want that after all we all have been dreamers in the past.
Let us just hope that granny was correct in saying that is never too late to learn.  

That's right, the people here are conspiring to disagree with you.  We're not independent.  You're full of excuses.  As I said before, it's not a matter of whether we can respond to your satisfaction to your loaded questions that determines whether your case has merit, it's the balance of evidence that you can bring for your worldview.  In that department you've failed completely.  The best evidence you have are a small handful of unexplained veridical NDEs.  The rest is a bunch of analogies and bare assertions from you, which don't mean shit.  Your poking holes in someone else's explanation, even if successful, doesn't count one lick toward vindicating your own.  On that measure you've been a total loser.  And your previous post to me is indicative of the type of trash that your arguments consist of, being nothing more than unofficial opinion pieces.  You link to health nut websites and other extremists whose views don't count for shit.  You wouldn't know good evidence if it reached up and bit you.  So where's your evidence for reincarnation?  For microvita?  For karma?  Where's your evidence that consciousness is intangible?

Your dishonesty has no limits yog.  

1) NDEs come by the hundreds not by ........ a small handful.........

2) Has already been established that with the brain devoid of flowing blood and oxygen it could not possibly create visions and experiences.

3) These experiences lead to the same conclusion which is one more reason to believe them.

4) Reincarnation, microvita and karma are all back up by the countless of people who had and NDE.
On top of that they make a lot of sense while to believe that with the physical death is all over doesn't.
In this case there wouldn't be justice and the law of positive and negative wouldn't exit but it does very well.

Fail again yog.  

Rik, is it so hard to find a scientific, peer reviewed paper that supports your thesis? Because as long as there is none, your "experts" are just making a quick buck out of the gullibility of the likes of you.

ETA: and your arguments from authority are invalid, as the authorities you're citing don't seem to have published anything peer reviewed about the issues at hand.

(July 3, 2016 at 5:08 am)Little Rik Wrote:

(July 2, 2016 at 2:02 pm)Jörmungandr Wrote: That's right, the people here are conspiring to disagree with you.  We're not independent.  You're full of excuses.  As I said before, it's not a matter of whether we can respond to your satisfaction to your loaded questions that determines whether your case has merit, it's the balance of evidence that you can bring for your worldview.  In that department you've failed completely.  The best evidence you have are a small handful of unexplained veridical NDEs.  The rest is a bunch of analogies and bare assertions from you, which don't mean shit.  Your poking holes in someone else's explanation, even if successful, doesn't count one lick toward vindicating your own.  On that measure you've been a total loser.  And your previous post to me is indicative of the type of trash that your arguments consist of, being nothing more than unofficial opinion pieces.  You link to health nut websites and other extremists whose views don't count for shit.  You wouldn't know good evidence if it reached up and bit you.  So where's your evidence for reincarnation?  For microvita?  For karma?  Where's your evidence that consciousness is intangible?

Your dishonesty has no limits yog.  

1) NDEs come by the hundreds not by ........ a small handful.........

Do you know what a veridical NDE is? Of course you don't. Otherwise you wouldn't say there are hundreds. A veridical NDE is one for which some of the elements of the NDE can't be explained as events all "happening inside the head." There aren't hundreds of those, there's only a few.

"Veridical near-death experiences are NDEs in which people reportedly out-of-body have observed events or gathered information that was verified by others upon the experiencer’s return to a conscious state."
http://iands.org/ndes/about-ndes/key-nde...ml?start=2

(July 3, 2016 at 5:08 am)Little Rik Wrote: 2) Has already been established that with the brain devoid of flowing blood and oxygen it could not possibly create visions and experiences.

Bullshit. It has not been 'established' by anybody. Much less by you.

(July 3, 2016 at 5:08 am)Little Rik Wrote: 3) These experiences lead to the same conclusion which is one more reason to believe them.

Now you're just a liar. I've posted about hellish NDEs and ones from Indian nationals that differ from your tales about God and so on. There is considerable difference among NDEs among different cultures. You 'explaining' it with bare assertions and analogies doesn't make it otherwise.

(July 3, 2016 at 5:08 am)Little Rik Wrote: 4) Reincarnation, microvita and karma are all back up by the countless of people who had and NDE.

Now you're completely full of shit. They provide no evidence for reincarnation, microvita, or karma. Obviously you don't actually have any evidence for these things. That's just sad. Your whole worldview dependent on a mere interpretation of NDEs. That's just sickening.

(July 3, 2016 at 5:08 am)Little Rik Wrote: On top of that they make a lot of sense while to believe that with the physical death is all over doesn't.
In this case there wouldn't be justice and the law of positive and negative wouldn't exit but it does very well.

This is just wishful thinking. You may find it desirable that there be justice and that when you're dead it's not all over, but you not wanting that to be true doesn't make it not true. It only 'makes sense' to you because you can't accept any other result. You're addicted to your own fantasy of what you want life to be. That says nothing about how life actually is. And again you have no evidence. That something 'makes sense' to you isn't proof that it is true. That's the lowest bar on the ladder of evidence. It doesn't count for shit because a million other explanations also 'make sense' of the data.

(July 3, 2016 at 6:14 am)Jörmungandr Wrote:

(July 3, 2016 at 5:08 am)Little Rik Wrote: Your dishonesty has no limits yog.  

1) NDEs come by the hundreds not by ........ a small handful.........

Do you know what a veridical NDE is?  Of course you don't.  Otherwise you wouldn't say there are hundreds.  A veridical NDE is one for which some of the elements of the NDE can't be explained as events all "happening inside the head."  There aren't hundreds of those, there's only a few.

"Veridical near-death experiences are NDEs in which people reportedly out-of-body have observed events or gathered information that was verified by others upon the experiencer’s return to a conscious state."
http://iands.org/ndes/about-ndes/key-nde...ml?start=2

Well done yog.
Now you contradict yourself in saying that NDEs are sort of bullshit.
By showing that many NDEs are VERIDICAL you automatically admit that NDEs are real
and if they are real then also God is real.  

(July 3, 2016 at 5:08 am)Little Rik Wrote: 2) Has already been established that with the brain devoid of flowing blood and oxygen it could not possibly create visions and experiences.

Quote:Bullshit.  It has not been 'established' by anybody.  Much less by you.

Talk to your doctor and ask if you can think by using your brain when you are dead.  

(July 3, 2016 at 5:08 am)Little Rik Wrote: 3) These experiences lead to the same conclusion which is one more reason to believe them.

Quote:Now you're just a liar.  I've posted about hellish NDEs and ones from Indian nationals that differ from your tales about God and so on.  There is considerable difference among NDEs among different cultures.  You 'explaining' it with bare assertions and analogies doesn't make it otherwise.

It is true that.......There is considerable difference among NDEs among different cultures.....
That is natural.
God is not made of flesh but many humans build up in their mind that God must look like Jesus, Shiva, Krishna,
Buddha and a lot of other figures so what God suppose to do other than show himself in those particular
figures.
It is obvious yog.

(July 3, 2016 at 5:08 am)Little Rik Wrote: 4) Reincarnation, microvita and karma are all back up by the countless of people who had and NDE.

Quote:Now you're completely full of shit.  They provide no evidence for reincarnation, microvita, or karma.  Obviously you don't actually have any evidence for these things.  That's just sad.  Your whole worldview dependent on a mere interpretation of NDEs.  That's just sickening.

Obviously you haven't read much about NDEs experiences.
Read them and then come back here so your dogmas will leave space for a better outlook.

(July 3, 2016 at 5:08 am)Little Rik Wrote: On top of that they make a lot of sense while to believe that with the physical death is all over doesn't.
In this case there wouldn't be justice and the law of positive and negative wouldn't exit but it does very well.

Quote:This is just wishful thinking.  You may find it desirable that there be justice and that when you're dead it's not all over, but you not wanting that to be true doesn't make it not true.  It only 'makes sense' to you because you can't accept any other result.  You're addicted to your own fantasy of what you want life to be.  That says nothing about how life actually is.  And again you have no evidence.  That something 'makes sense' to you isn't proof that it is true.  That's the lowest bar on the ladder of evidence.  It doesn't count for shit because a million other explanations also 'make sense' of the data.

When something like the universe works so well for all this time is obvious that everything is tuned up
to perfection and perfection involve justice.  

(July 4, 2016 at 8:45 am)Little Rik Wrote:

(July 3, 2016 at 5:08 am)Little Rik Wrote: 4) Reincarnation, microvita and karma are all back up by the countless of people who had and NDE.

Quote:Now you're completely full of shit.  They provide no evidence for reincarnation, microvita, or karma.  Obviously you don't actually have any evidence for these things.  That's just sad.  Your whole worldview dependent on a mere interpretation of NDEs.  That's just sickening.

Obviously you haven't read much about NDEs experiences.
Read them and then come back here so your dogmas will leave space for a better outlook.

I've got a better idea.  Since it's your worldview and your evidence, why don't you link to just one NDE that provides evidence for microvita.  I predict you won't because you're just full of shit.  None of these things are evidenced by NDEs.  You're just full of hot air.

(May 24, 2016 at 5:56 am)Jörmungandr Wrote: Ultimately, worldviews or hypotheses have to be judged not in some absurd 'winner takes all' contest of who can spin the most consistent and compelling tale, but on a comparison of how the evidence for each worldview or hypothesis stacks up in comparison to each other.  Such a judgement doesn't come from adversarial nay-saying, but from a holistic and charitable examination of the evidence for each.

The materialist paradigm is not without its gaps and flaws, but as a whole, the materialist worldview is well evidenced with entries coming from many fields, from philosophy to quantum mechanics.   What evidence have you proffered for your worldview?  Nothing but a bunch of analogies, bare assertions, a questionable interpretation of NDEs, your 'feelies' about your meditation and your intuitions about it, the yogic tradition, and various bits of tantric lore. If you've got something else to add to the pile, NOW is the time to introduce it.  But I've been listening to you a long time and I think it boils down to that.

(July 4, 2016 at 8:45 am)Little Rik Wrote:

(July 3, 2016 at 6:14 am)Jörmungandr Wrote: Do you know what a veridical NDE is?  Of course you don't.  Otherwise you wouldn't say there are hundreds.  A veridical NDE is one for which some of the elements of the NDE can't be explained as events all "happening inside the head."  There aren't hundreds of those, there's only a few.

"Veridical near-death experiences are NDEs in which people reportedly out-of-body have observed events or gathered information that was verified by others upon the experiencer’s return to a conscious state."
http://iands.org/ndes/about-ndes/key-nde...ml?start=2

Well done yog.
Now you contradict yourself in saying that NDEs are sort of bullshit.
By showing that many NDEs are VERIDICAL you automatically admit that NDEs are real
and if they are real then also God is real.  

You really are a simpleton. Veridical NDEs are unexplained. You seem to think that NDEs only point to one explanation, and that is that they are 'real' in your words. NDEs can be explained by multiple things. It's possible that some brain processing occurs in the absence of blood flow. It could be clairvoyance instead of an OBE. It could be mistakes in collecting the account. They could be hoaxes. It could be aliens projecting thoughts into our heads. That you have latched onto one specific interpretation of NDEs means nothing as to what their actual explanation is. All that shows is that you can't think critically about such things and hop on the first train that comes along. It doesn't show that they are 'real', it just shows that you are a poor thinker.