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RE: UK to leave EU
July 19, 2016 at 3:19 pm
(July 19, 2016 at 3:00 pm)Rhythm Wrote: Why did you wish it on the UK......?

Who me?

Listen, at the end of the day, if the Scots want to vote for their independance, regardless of what happens to brexit, then again, my opinion is that it should be granted.
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RE: UK to leave EU
July 19, 2016 at 3:20 pm
(July 19, 2016 at 3:18 pm)RobertE Wrote:
(July 19, 2016 at 2:58 pm)Bella Morte Wrote: Why the fuck would you wish that on us?

It is best to leave that opinion to born and bred scots. If they want their independance, then they have that right.

You're talking to one.
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RE: UK to leave EU
July 19, 2016 at 3:24 pm
(July 19, 2016 at 3:20 pm)Bella Morte Wrote:
(July 19, 2016 at 3:18 pm)RobertE Wrote: It is best to leave that opinion to born and bred scots. If they want their independance, then they have that right.

You're talking to one.

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RE: UK to leave EU
July 19, 2016 at 3:49 pm (This post was last modified: July 19, 2016 at 3:56 pm by I_am_not_mafia.)
(July 19, 2016 at 2:56 pm)RobertE Wrote: Scotland trying to survive on its own would be like Brittany wanting to independant of France. Economically, unless they are like Monaco, the idea of Scotland, Brittany and other areas who want to be independant, they are f*cked! Shame, I really want to see Scotland independant.

What reason do you have to think that? Scotland has a similar population to Finland, Norway, Denmark and Ireland (5 million). It also has an area of land (80,077 km²) more than or comparable to Denmark (42,925 km²) and Ireland (84,421 km²). No one ever says those countries can't survive alone. Iceland has a fraction of the population and hardly any more land. Scotland has plenty of natural resources (oil, fish, forestry, land, sea and wind energy). It has an international banking sector that could take over from London by remaining in the EU. It has world class universities. A global whisky export and lots of tech companies.

I see no reason for this unsubstantiated and unexplained belief that Scotland is too small to go it alone.  Maybe it's the BBC weather map that slants Britain to make Scotland look smaller. Just to remind you of perception vs actual size:


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RE: UK to leave EU
July 19, 2016 at 3:52 pm
(July 19, 2016 at 3:18 pm)RobertE Wrote: It is best to leave that opinion to born and bred scots. If they want their independance, then they have that right.

... and everyone living in Scotland, but not including people currently living outside of Scotland. I would have voted in the independence referendum but I was living in Germany at the time. But I was OK with that. It is the people that make up a country and its culture. You don't have to be born in Scotland to belong there. You just have to be there.
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RE: UK to leave EU
July 19, 2016 at 3:54 pm (This post was last modified: July 19, 2016 at 3:56 pm by The Grand Nudger.)
(July 19, 2016 at 3:19 pm)RobertE Wrote:
(July 19, 2016 at 3:00 pm)Rhythm Wrote: Why did you wish it on the UK......?

Who me?

Listen, at the end of the day, if the Scots want to vote for their independance, regardless of what happens to brexit, then again, my opinion is that it should be granted.

LOL, no, Bella, actually.  I'm with you on that one. Bellas become infamous on the boards for a "UK because self determination, lol fuck scotland" stance since Brexit. Nominally scottish too...been wondering about that, actually. Kind of a riddle...to me.
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RE: UK to leave EU
July 19, 2016 at 3:58 pm
(July 19, 2016 at 3:52 pm)Mathilda Wrote:
(July 19, 2016 at 3:18 pm)RobertE Wrote: It is best to leave that opinion to born and bred scots. If they want their independance, then they have that right.

... and everyone living in Scotland, but not including people currently living outside of Scotland. I would have voted in the independence referendum but I was living in Germany at the time. But I was OK with that. It is the people that make up a country and its culture. You don't have to be born in Scotland to belong there. You just have to be there.

I would use a "no true scotsman", but I shall avoid..... Tongue I really meant to say those who were born in Scotland or those who have set up camp elsewhere in other countries i.e. to vote by proxy.
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RE: UK to leave EU
July 19, 2016 at 4:00 pm
(July 19, 2016 at 3:54 pm)Rhythm Wrote:
(July 19, 2016 at 3:19 pm)RobertE Wrote: Who me?

Listen, at the end of the day, if the Scots want to vote for their independance, regardless of what happens to brexit, then again, my opinion is that it should be granted.

LOL, no, Bella, actually.  I'm with you on that one.  Bellas become infamous on the boards for a "UK because self determination, lol fuck scotland" stance since Brexit.  Nominally scottish too...been wondering about that, actually.  Kind of a riddle...to me.

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RE: UK to leave EU
July 19, 2016 at 4:01 pm
(July 19, 2016 at 3:54 pm)Rhythm Wrote: LOL, no, Bella, actually.  I'm with you on that one.  Bellas become infamous on the boards for a "UK because self determination, lol fuck scotland" stance since Brexit.  Nominally scottish too...been wondering about that, actually.  Kind of a riddle...to me.


I'm assuming that her parents are Tory voters. Possibly even from the south of England originally. I used to be a Tory voter at her age because I was raised in a Tory voting Daily Mail reading household on the south coast of England. The parent's political views are normally the biggest influence on how people vote. Even today I still can't bring myself to vote Labour. And we all know on this forum how strong childhood conditioning can be. It's not just religion.

It takes a concerted effort to challenge your own conditioning and to question your own assumptions. Propaganda works for a reason.
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RE: UK to leave EU
July 19, 2016 at 4:03 pm
(July 19, 2016 at 3:49 pm)Mathilda Wrote:
(July 19, 2016 at 2:56 pm)RobertE Wrote: Scotland trying to survive on its own would be like Brittany wanting to independant of France. Economically, unless they are like Monaco, the idea of Scotland, Brittany and other areas who want to be independant, they are f*cked! Shame, I really want to see Scotland independant.

What reason do you have to think that? Scotland has a similar population to Finland, Norway, Denmark and Ireland (5 million). It also has an area of land (80,077 km²) more than or comparable to Denmark (42,925 km²) and Ireland (84,421 km²). No one ever says those countries can't survive alone. Iceland has a fraction of the population and hardly any more land. Scotland has plenty of natural resources (oil, fish, forestry, land, sea and wind energy). It has an international banking sector that could take over from London by remaining in the EU. It has world class universities. A global whisky export and lots of tech companies.

I see no reason for this unsubstantiated and unexplained belief that Scotland is too small to go it alone.  Maybe it's the BBC weather map that slants Britain to make Scotland look smaller. Just to remind you of perception vs actual size:




Indeed, Scotland could be a major player in selling it trees and take the strain of the rainforests...... Tongue
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