Marriage

[Edwardo Piet]

I like what you say Evie. I think your twisting the term 'commitment' to mean something it isn't. You're viewing it as something negative and unwanted. Sure, the pieve of paper is meaningless. A Commitment is what love is all about. Love without commitment isn't love I'd suggest.

"Women aren't religious" - I was referring to Giff's post on the popularity of church weddings. I think women are drawn to religious ceremony because it's seen as the only alternative to non commitment. And as I think non commitment is anti women, religion offers the opposite.

I meant women don't want church weddings because they are religious necessarily. Happy?

That you're "not big on commitment" makes you anti women IMO. Anti responsibility. Pro permed haired 80 yr old swingers who wear lots of gold LOL

What are you on about? If i'm anti-'commitment' that makes me anti-women?

Well I'm NOT anti women so....

Stereotyping fr0d0? What if the woman doesn't want 'commitment' either?

No what I'm referring to is people staying together because they genuinely love each other without having to make some kind of 'big promise' or 'commitment' because they love each other enough that they don't have to do that. It's considered to be superficial and dare I say...unworthy.

I have no idea what you are on about mr.strawmen. Thinking 'commitment' is superficial bullshit because it takes the meaning OUT of the relationship has got nothing to do with being 'anti responsibility', 'anti women', etc. You're making that up.

I am very loyal. And if I meet someone who feels the same way, who doesn't feel they need 'commitment', or 'to commit' (i.e: holding on instead of letting go) to stay together...I think that shows the love is stronger not weaker...

I see commitment as 'holding on' instead of 'letting go'. Now some people might need it because they are afraid of losing each other. But I don't think love is really about 'commitment' because I think that's a form of attachment and like I said, it's like 'holding on' and I think love is more about being free and letting go.

I don't need to make a 'commitment' because I trust myself and I trust that the other person (if we love each other enough) will be loyal because we love and care about each other so much...we wouldn't need to make a 'commitment' because Love is stronger than that...

If people truly love each other they don't have to 'kid themselves' by 'holding on' with 'commitment'...

With love it's not about 'commitment' for me because that's a form of attachment, 'holding on' instead of 'letting go'....if the love is natural, genuine and free then fear of losing each other, attachment and 'commitment' will not be as strong as the genuine love and respect for each other and how much the couple truly cares about each other.

I have no idea where you got the 'anti woman' 'anti responsibility' thing from....have I said anything of the sort?

I am talking about having a MORE meaningful lasting relationship....

...BECAUSE - if you truly and naturally love each other enough why would you have to make a 'commitment'? Why would you fear that you had to do that as if if you don't it's less special or you won't stay together as long?

If you truly trust and love each other enough then surely that's enough? And if it's genuine it will stay, if it's not it will go. Either way it's true to the relationship and to the love.

Where the fuck does all the 'anti women' thing come from? For a start that is stereotyping (arguably sexist) because I said nothing sexist whatsoever and as I said...to suggest that being 'anti commitment' is 'anti women' is stereotyping women as ALL 'pro commitment' AND BESIDES...if you're against what someone (or some group) stands for that wouldn't make you specifically anti THEM anyway!!

But no I am not remotely anti-women or anti-responsibility. I want a genuine, loving long-lasting relationship if I can find one but I want it to REALLY BE genuine.

And I think if a relationship is really genuine you wouldn't have to 'make a commitment' to stay together...if the feelings and love and caring is really strong enough then it will just be natural. One wouldn't have to make 'commitment' or 'marriage' because that would be superficial and unworthy....

Because if the love is really strong and genuine, if you really care about each other you DON'T need 'commitment' and if it ISN'T why would you wanna fake it?

I want a loving long-lasting relationship as I have said: if I can find one but I want it to REALLY BE genuine.

EvF