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RE: Near death experience of Howard Storm
October 1, 2016 at 4:37 pm
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(October 1, 2016 at 8:46 am)Little Rik Wrote: Would you like to go back billions years ago to live in the water as a primitive form of life?
That is what science tell us where we come from.
If you are happy as a human also these primitive form of life should have been happy to live in the water but science tell us the opposite.
They were not happy that is why they evolve and evolve to reach a human form. You realize that science doesn't tell us that, though, right?
Why does life evolve?
-Science: mutation, heredity, selection.
-RiK: a dearth of happiness along the path to the goal of a human form.
Gee, it;s gonna be really difficult for me to decide which response is worth consideration and which response is the ravings of a complete loon. Can I sleep on it?
Quote:The free will in humans can trick us into believing that we are happy as we are but that is not the case.
The same desire to evolve until we reach the apex of life is still inside all of us.
The free will can make us believe otherwise but it never works at the end.
As primitive forms of life wishes to get out the sewer also humans follow the same logic. 
I bet it can trick us into thinking we have something cogent to say when we don't....too.....honestly, what -can't- free will do, that's the magic sauce.
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RE: Near death experience of Howard Storm
October 2, 2016 at 8:42 am
(October 1, 2016 at 10:30 am)robvalue Wrote: I have no idea what you're even asking me. Do I want to be a bit of primal sludge? Not particularly. I don't think I'd get much of an insight or experience that way.
Do I want to be human? Not especially either, but I'm stuck with it. Exploring fantasy lands is fun but I don't need to convince myself it's real to enjoy it. Once you have something to show me from these magical worlds you explore, I'll be interested. And I don't mean more anecdotes.
Roberto. 
All I am saying is that nobody is interested in staying were we are.
Everybody aim at more and more all the time.
Now you are here on the net BECAUSE this give you satisfaction.
You eat, drink, breathe and sometime feel like having sex because that give you satisfaction.
If you would be happy as you are you wouldn't do anything at all but the thirst force you to drink, the
hunger force to eat and so on.
If you really think that you are happy as you are you just fool yourself.
Whether we like it or not the force beyond our understanding tell us to go ahead and ahead until we reach a goal so it is wise not to think otherwise.
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RE: Near death experience of Howard Storm
October 2, 2016 at 8:54 am
(October 1, 2016 at 4:37 pm)Rhythm Wrote: (October 1, 2016 at 8:46 am)Little Rik Wrote: Would you like to go back billions years ago to live in the water as a primitive form of life?
That is what science tell us where we come from.
If you are happy as a human also these primitive form of life should have been happy to live in the water but science tell us the opposite.
They were not happy that is why they evolve and evolve to reach a human form. You realize that science doesn't tell us that, though, right?
Why does life evolve?
-Science: mutation, heredity, selection.
-RiK: a dearth of happiness along the path to the goal of a human form.
Gee, it;s gonna be really difficult for me to decide which response is worth consideration and which response is the ravings of a complete loon. Can I sleep on it?
1) It is well known that science tell us that we evolve from lower form of life.
I am puzzle how an atheist can think otherwise.
2) I already explained about evolution.
Science tell us that we are what we are due to all the factors that you mention.
Unfortunately science can not see beyond the border of the physical reality and that prevent it from see that evolution is individual and we end up in the jigsaw puzzle that most fit us.
Quote:The free will in humans can trick us into believing that we are happy as we are but that is not the case.
The same desire to evolve until we reach the apex of life is still inside all of us.
The free will can make us believe otherwise but it never works at the end.
As primitive forms of life wishes to get out the sewer also humans follow the same logic.
Quote:I bet it can trick us into thinking we have something cogent to say when we don't....too.....honestly, what -can't- free will do, that's the magic sauce.
The free will throw in front of us two choices.
That doesn't happen in lower form of life which the only choice is to go ahead through instinct.
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RE: Near death experience of Howard Storm
October 2, 2016 at 10:40 am
(October 2, 2016 at 8:54 am)Little Rik Wrote: 1) It is well known that science tell us that we evolve from lower form of life.
I am puzzle how an atheist can think otherwise. here, we see you half step into deceit....
Quote:2) I already explained about evolution.
Science tell us that we are what we are due to all the factors that you mention.
Unfortunately science can not see beyond the border of the physical reality and that prevent it from see that evolution is individual and we end up in the jigsaw puzzle that most fit us.
...and here, an admission that you engaged in a flagrant lie about what, said what. You don;t even think that science can -see- your fairy machine... and you're right, it can't.
Quote:The free will throw in front of us two choices.
That doesn't happen in lower form of life which the only choice is to go ahead through instinct.
Does it, what kind of an arm are we talking about here? AAA or MLB?
I am the Infantry. I am my country’s strength in war, her deterrent in peace. I am the heart of the fight… wherever, whenever. I carry America’s faith and honor against her enemies. I am the Queen of Battle. I am what my country expects me to be, the best trained Soldier in the world. In the race for victory, I am swift, determined, and courageous, armed with a fierce will to win. Never will I fail my country’s trust. Always I fight on…through the foe, to the objective, to triumph overall. If necessary, I will fight to my death. By my steadfast courage, I have won more than 200 years of freedom. I yield not to weakness, to hunger, to cowardice, to fatigue, to superior odds, For I am mentally tough, physically strong, and morally straight. I forsake not, my country, my mission, my comrades, my sacred duty. I am relentless. I am always there, now and forever. I AM THE INFANTRY! FOLLOW ME!
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RE: Near death experience of Howard Storm
October 2, 2016 at 11:44 am
(October 2, 2016 at 8:42 am)Little Rik Wrote: (October 1, 2016 at 10:30 am)robvalue Wrote: I have no idea what you're even asking me. Do I want to be a bit of primal sludge? Not particularly. I don't think I'd get much of an insight or experience that way.
Do I want to be human? Not especially either, but I'm stuck with it. Exploring fantasy lands is fun but I don't need to convince myself it's real to enjoy it. Once you have something to show me from these magical worlds you explore, I'll be interested. And I don't mean more anecdotes.
Roberto.
All I am saying is that nobody is interested in staying were we are.
Everybody aim at more and more all the time.
Now you are here on the net BECAUSE this give you satisfaction.
You eat, drink, breathe and sometime feel like having sex because that give you satisfaction.
If you would be happy as you are you wouldn't do anything at all but the thirst force you to drink, the
hunger force to eat and so on.
If you really think that you are happy as you are you just fool yourself.
Whether we like it or not the force beyond our understanding tell us to go ahead and ahead until we reach a goal so it is wise not to think otherwise.
A little presumptuous to tell me all about myself, don't you think? Would you like me to tell you all about you?
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RE: Near death experience of Howard Storm
October 3, 2016 at 5:42 am
(October 2, 2016 at 11:44 am)robvalue Wrote: (October 2, 2016 at 8:42 am)Little Rik Wrote: Roberto.
All I am saying is that nobody is interested in staying were we are.
Everybody aim at more and more all the time.
Now you are here on the net BECAUSE this give you satisfaction.
You eat, drink, breathe and sometime feel like having sex because that give you satisfaction.
If you would be happy as you are you wouldn't do anything at all but the thirst force you to drink, the
hunger force to eat and so on.
If you really think that you are happy as you are you just fool yourself.
Whether we like it or not the force beyond our understanding tell us to go ahead and ahead until we reach a goal so it is wise not to think otherwise.
A little presumptuous to tell me all about myself, don't you think? Would you like me to tell you all about you?
Presumptuous?
I would be such if there would be many choices and therefore would be a guess but the choice is
only one therefore is not a big deal to know the end result.
Evolution is motivated by the same force that create the Devolution in the first place.
What goes down come back up.
You never thought about that Roberto, did you? 
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RE: Near death experience of Howard Storm
October 3, 2016 at 6:10 am
Only self lobotomized persons think that way Rik. You never thought of that didn't you? 
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RE: Near death experience of Howard Storm
October 3, 2016 at 7:57 am
(October 3, 2016 at 6:10 am)LastPoet Wrote: Only self lobotomized persons think that way Rik. You never thought of that didn't you?
I am not allow to answer you. 
The mods gave me 1 month good conduct. 
Check you later mate. 
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RE: Near death experience of Howard Storm
October 28, 2016 at 11:00 pm
Anecdotal at best, not empirical all all and therefore suspect at the very least. I heartily reject the implications or any empirical evidence. If it cannot be tested and the test repeated with similar results it comes under the heading of "if it seems to good to be true it probably isn't."
Robert
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