If you want to understand why evidence is important, and that arguments alone do not demonstrate anything about reality, please see my video.

https://youtu.be/inw1fNItjdU

For posters who are still waiting for my proof of the existence of God, in concept as first and foremost the creator and operator of the universe and man and everything with a beginning...

Read the OP reproduced by yours truly, below.

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24th October 2016, 17:27  #1

I am a theist, what do you think of my proof for God existing?

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I am a theist, what do you think of my proof for God existing?


24th October 2016, 17:27


This is my proof for God existing.

1. Formulate the information of the concept of God, thus:
"God in concept is first and foremost the creator and operator of the universe and man and everything with a beginning."

2. Look for instances of causation in reality outside of concepts in our mind.

3. We find countless examples of causation in reality outside of concepts in our mind.

4. From the countless instances of causation in reality, we infer to the existence of a first and ultimate cause.

5. We find that the first and ultimate cause of all instances of causation in reality corresponds to our information on the concept of God, namely, the creator and operator of the universe and man and everything with a beginning.

6. Conclusion: God exists in concept as first and foremost the creator and operator of the universe and man and everything with a beginning.


What do you think about my proof for the existence of God?

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Well. I am now sure that the message has been put in abeyance.

You keep asking for our concept of god. This is nonsense...

We're Atheists! We don't have a concept of god outside the thousands-if-not-millions of god claims that have been proposed by people.

You're the theist. You have the burden of proof. You have to decide which god you're trying to prove.

I think it's rather humorous seeing all the theists come on this forum and start telling us what we believe. Do we tell you what you believe? The correct thing would be to ask what we believe.

Atheism does not say god does not exist. Atheists merely reserve belief until reasonable evidence can be presented. I don't say, "no god exists." You say, "god exists," and I respond with, "why should I believe you?" That is what atheism is. At least, that's how I've come to understand it.

Saying god does not exist is antitheism or strong atheism. But that statement doesn't encompass all of what atheism is.

Is this guy for real?
Can anyone be this oblivious?!

bah.... fun is over... I think I'd be more productive talking to a wall.

Yeah, I'm suspecting troll at this point.

I have heard Mariosep asking us to define what WE think god is.
I do not have an idea of god is or could be and that is one of the things that I seem to have trouble with with theists, they all seem to have a different view of "god".
Mariosep says he defines god as.

Quote:God, in concept as first and foremost the creator and operator of the universe and man and everything with a beginning,

Which is meaningless. It describes nothing explains nothing.

How did "god" create the universe?
What materials did it use?
Where did it get the materials?
By what process does it operate the universe?
Where did this god chap come from?

Now answer those with scientific evidence and we can begin to talk.

Until then you are just spouting what you "kinda reckon".

Sometimes arguing with theists is like arguing with Mr Burns:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BNwMmDNalHo

(October 26, 2016 at 4:16 am)Mariosep Wrote: For posters who are still waiting for my proof of the existence of God, in concept as first and foremost the creator and operator of the universe and man and everything with a beginning...

Read the OP reproduced by yours truly, below.

Quote:24th October 2016, 17:27  #1

I am a theist, what do you think of my proof for God existing?

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I am a theist, what do you think of my proof for God existing?


24th October 2016, 17:27


This is my proof for God existing.

1. Formulate the information of the concept of God, thus:
"God in concept is first and foremost the creator and operator of the universe and man and everything with a beginning."

2. Look for instances of causation in reality outside of concepts in our mind.

3. We find countless examples of causation in reality outside of concepts in our mind.

4. From the countless instances of causation in reality, we infer to the existence of a first and ultimate cause.

5. We find that the first and ultimate cause of all instances of causation in reality corresponds to our information on the concept of God, namely, the creator and operator of the universe and man and everything with a beginning.

6. Conclusion: God exists in concept as first and foremost the creator and operator of the universe and man and everything with a beginning.


What do you think about my proof for the existence of God?

There's no proof of anything anywhere in here...

(October 26, 2016 at 4:02 am)robvalue Wrote: If you want to understand why evidence is important, and that arguments alone do not demonstrate anything about reality, please see my video.

https://youtu.be/inw1fNItjdU

rob, is tht you? my boy is cuuuute!