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Why was Michael Jackson stigmatised so harshly?
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RE: Why was Michael Jackson stigmatised so harshly?
(November 2, 2016 at 2:02 am)Aractus Wrote: "Look what happened the first time. If someone had dome something like that to my kid I wouldn't just settle for some money, I'd make sure the guy was in gaol. But they got the money and they ran."

Like Losty, I don't know whether MJ was guilty or not of child molestation. I am agnostic. That said, I don't think this is that good of an argument against Mike potential being guilty. After all, what kind of parents would let their child sleep on the same bed with Mike in the first place? The same kind of parents who would just settle for the money even if in reality their child was molested.
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RE: Why was Michael Jackson stigmatised so harshly?
[Image: michael_jackson_hyperbaric_oxygen-_chamber.jpg]

It's widely accepted the pictures of Michael Jackson in the oxygen chamber were actually of Michael Jackson, taken at his direction, and deliberately leaked to the Enquirer, or the Star, or whoever got them first.

So Michael was complicit with creating his image or stigma, or whatever you want to characterize it as.
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RE: Why was Michael Jackson stigmatised so harshly?
(November 2, 2016 at 2:26 am)vorlon13 Wrote: [Image: michael_jackson_hyperbaric_oxygen-_chamber.jpg]

It's widely accepted the pictures of Michael Jackson in the oxygen chamber were actually of Michael Jackson, taken at his direction, and deliberately leaked to the Enquirer, or the Star, or whoever got them first.

So Michael was complicit with creating his image or stigma, or whatever you want to characterize it as.

Wut? I have no idea what this means
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#14
RE: Why was Michael Jackson stigmatised so harshly?
Back in the 80s the supermarket rags frequently ran front page articles on "Wacko Jacko".

Turns out Michael himself was producing and leaking some/most of the materials used in the articles.


He went too far with the hyperbaric oxygen treatment stories as it was pretty obvious such pictures would require at the very least Michael's cooperation, knowledge, or active assistance in creating.


Tough feeling sorry for him for a mess of his own making.
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RE: Why was Michael Jackson stigmatised so harshly?
It seems there wasn't evidence that Michael Jackson was guilty of child molestation and, sure, it's fair to be considered innocent until proven guilty. But I do find it highly disturbing that he had children sleeping in his bed that weren't his own.
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RE: Why was Michael Jackson stigmatised so harshly?
Well, the detectives thought the victim descriptions of the pattern of Michaels vitiligo areas in his crotch area were pretty damn convincing once they got a warrant to photograph Michaels crotch area to confirm the descriptions in the allegations.


That would be a tough predicament to lawyer/buy ones way out of, that he succeeded is pretty impressive.
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RE: Why was Michael Jackson stigmatised so harshly?
(November 2, 2016 at 2:24 am)Irrational Wrote: Like Losty, I don't know whether MJ was guilty or not of child molestation. I am agnostic. That said, I don't think this is that good of an argument against Mike potential being guilty. After all, what kind of parents would let their child sleep on the same bed with Mike in the first place? The same kind of parents who would just settle for the money even if in reality their child was molested.

If you listen to Macaulay you'll understand that much is a misunderstanding. MJ let children sleep in "his bed" and he went and slept in the guest bed (that's from the 2003 Living with Michael Jackson).

(November 2, 2016 at 2:01 am)Losty Wrote: Are you a huge fan?

No I'm not, I'm just interested in the stigma. I do absolutely love some of his songs, but most of them do not do much for me. In fat the only songs of his I really like are "You are not alone" and "Heal the world". Thriller, Billy Jean, etc don't do it for me.

(November 2, 2016 at 2:26 am)vorlon13 Wrote: It's widely accepted the pictures of Michael Jackson in the oxygen chamber were actually of Michael Jackson, taken at his direction, and deliberately leaked to the Enquirer, or the Star, or whoever got them first.

So Michael was complicit with creating his image or stigma, or whatever you want to characterize it as.

That's a different stigma though. Even if you might say that was his fault (though why doesn't Novak Djokovic receive the same stigmatisation then?) that doesn't mean other things he was stigmatised for are fair.
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RE: Why was Michael Jackson stigmatised so harshly?
Aractus, I can look past your other grave shortcomings (j/k) but of all the songs, the saccharine drivel HEAL THE fucking WORLD is the one song of his you like? Jebus Christ! That's just perverse.
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RE: Why was Michael Jackson stigmatised so harshly?
It's certainly not the world that needs healing. It's so-called civilization. Like George Carlin said "The planet is fine... the people are fucked. Difference. Difference."
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RE: Why was Michael Jackson stigmatised so harshly?
(November 2, 2016 at 2:01 am)Losty Wrote: I don't really think about him much. He that one song that was ok. You took a lot of time to type all this out. I'm curious as to why it's so important to you. Are you a huge fan?

One song?

Child, please.
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