(June 12, 2011 at 8:34 pm)Atheist Jew Wrote: And six month unemployment benefits. I just believe that Social Security basically gives you back the amount of money you put in, right(for the time being)? So if we do away with it then people will have their cash on hand and it will be cheaper for the tax-payers since we won't have to deal with people who game the system.

The idea of a universal welfare system is to provide a safety net for those at the bottom of the heap who are unable to look after themselves. Do you have a problem with that? The capitalist system permanently guarantees unemployment for a mass of people , hence the requirement for welfare.

Like any system it is open to abuse and should be policed to catch the abusers.
I am always amazed that people like you get so upset at those at the bottom playing the system, yet the same heat is not generated against the fatcat filthy rich who year on year avoid paying the right amount of tax and are open to any dodge to get even more money for their greedy selves.

I think the rich should not be avoiding taxes either, though regrettably, our worst president(George W. Bush) was a hypocrite and liar on this issue, and

I'm against druggies getting Welfare. If they can buy alcohol, marijuana, or even ciggerettes, they should not be on Welfare.

(June 13, 2011 at 6:37 pm)The_Flying_Skeptic Wrote: I'm against druggies getting Welfare. If they can buy alcohol, marijuana, or even ciggerettes, they should not be on Welfare.

Do you not think they should be helped to come off whatever their addiction is? Would that not be good for them and society overall?

I think that we should decrease taxes on middle and lower class citizens and increase them on rich people. And restore funding to the IRS so it can go after rich people, which it has not been able to do since the Gingrich Republicans had their way.

(June 13, 2011 at 6:37 pm)The_Flying_Skeptic Wrote: I'm against druggies getting Welfare. If they can buy alcohol, marijuana, or even ciggerettes, they should not be on Welfare.

So you'd deprive them of their only coping mechanism for being near the bottom of the chain? The bottom being those who cannot even have these?

They all sound pretty poor to me.

(June 15, 2011 at 3:52 am)Aerzia Saerules Arktuos Wrote:

(June 13, 2011 at 6:37 pm)The_Flying_Skeptic Wrote: I'm against druggies getting Welfare. If they can buy alcohol, marijuana, or even ciggerettes, they should not be on Welfare.

So you'd deprive them of their only coping mechanism for being near the bottom of the chain? The bottom being those who cannot even have these?

They all sound pretty poor to me.

There's a difference between having a drink, and drinking it like water. Same with ciggarettes and marijuana.

Whats the solution? 80% of it goes to expenses, some sort of voucher/direct payment on bills scheme and 20% of it in cash for whatever they want?

Treat welfare like a job? You have to have the drug testing and what have you in addition to the job searching/skills training?

I'm not against them having that stuff, I am against them spending 70% of the taxpayer money they receive on it (the same goes for gambling), but a solution is beyond me.

(June 15, 2011 at 4:02 am)Stue Denim Wrote: There's a difference between having a drink, and drinking it like water. Same with ciggarettes and marijuana.

Whats the solution? 80% of it goes to expenses, some sort of voucher/direct payment on bills scheme and 20% of it in cash for whatever they want?

Treat welfare like a job? You have to have the drug testing and what have you in addition to the job searching/skills training?

I'm not against them having that stuff, I am against them spending 70% of the taxpayer money they receive on it (the same goes for gambling), but a solution is beyond me.

As needed as water is to me are cigarettes needed by those addicted.

My 'solutions' are fascinating. And they are not alone in their being solutions. As if a non-problem required a solution.

You do not have to observe drug testing on a job... so long as the parameters of the job are completed. The methodology by which parameters are met is secondary. Methodologies which do not carry negatively perceived baggage into fulfilling the goal are irrelevant when the job is done.

Taxpayer money amuses me. As if it was theirs to begin with.

I think that we should up taxes on everybody rich and all the large companies, drastically increase business regulation, sign the Kyoto Treaty, and ban industries from funding politicians.

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Then give out some welfare. SOME.

(June 13, 2011 at 7:14 pm)bozo Wrote:

(June 13, 2011 at 6:37 pm)The_Flying_Skeptic Wrote: I'm against druggies getting Welfare. If they can buy alcohol, marijuana, or even ciggerettes, they should not be on Welfare.

Do you not think they should be helped to come off whatever their addiction is? Would that not be good for them and society overall?

Welfare should be for essentials not vices.