My take is that the Republican electors know that if they can derail Trump, then the election will be decided by the House, which is controlled by Republicans.

He'll be elected president, but history will also be made by a record number of non faithful electors. Not enough to to change the outcome, but enough to send a message. My wild prediction is that 9 Democrats and 5 or 6 Republicans will will vote for Kasich.
Trump will tweet some nasty nonsense, then get back to the business of letting Pence be president, while he has another twitter tantrum at the next poor slob to gain his ire.

(December 17, 2016 at 12:53 pm)Aroura Wrote: He'll be elected president, but history will also be made by a record number of non faithful electors. Not enough to to change the outcome, but enough to send a message. My wild prediction is that 9 Democrats and 5 or 6 Republicans will will vote for Kasich.
Trump will tweet some nasty nonsense, then get back to the business of letting Pence be president, while he has another twitter tantrum at the next poor slob to gain his ire.

We can disagree with Trump's stated policy positions and loathe his general character, but he's no idiot. I think he chose Pence intentionally as a type of insurance policy against impeachment and assassination. I would seriously rather take my chances and deal with Trump than have the likes of Pence in the oval office.

(December 17, 2016 at 12:24 pm)Jehanne Wrote: My take is that the Republican electors know that if they can derail Trump, then the election will be decided by the House, which is controlled by Republicans.

Why would they Bother? Trump will probably quit or be impeached, leaving them with their wet dream, president Pence. And even if he doesnt, it would probably take very little to make him a figurehead only, that just does some repeat victory tours so his brainless fans can bask in his orangeness for the next 4 years, while Pence does the serious governing. Same difference.

Dumping Drumpf would require far more courage than a bunch of political hacks can muster, I fear.

Besides, if I were Hillary at this point I would invite us to go fuck ourselves.

(December 17, 2016 at 12:56 pm)Cato Wrote:

(December 17, 2016 at 12:53 pm)Aroura Wrote: He'll be elected president, but history will also be made by a record number of non faithful electors. Not enough to to change the outcome, but enough to send a message. My wild prediction is that 9 Democrats and 5 or 6 Republicans will will vote for Kasich.
Trump will tweet some nasty nonsense, then get back to the business of letting Pence be president, while he has another twitter tantrum at the next poor slob to gain his ire.

We can disagree with Trump's stated policy positions and loathe his general character, but he's no idiot. I think he chose Pence intentionally as a type of insurance policy against impeachment and assassination. I would seriously rather take my chances and deal with Trump than have the likes of Pence in the oval office.

True.  Pence is an extremist, a proponent of ID and a religious inerrantist.

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(December 17, 2016 at 12:56 pm)Aroura Wrote:

(December 17, 2016 at 12:24 pm)Jehanne Wrote: My take is that the Republican electors know that if they can derail Trump, then the election will be decided by the House, which is controlled by Republicans.

Why would they Bother? Trump will probably quit or be impeached, leaving them with their wet dream, president Pence. And even if he doesnt, it would probably take very little to make him a figurehead only, that just does some repeat victory tours so his brainless fans can bask in his orangeness for the next 4 years, while Pence does the serious governing. Same difference.

From a marketing POV, it is a question of the bandwagon effect.  One elector, from Texas, has already come-out publicly and said that he is not voting for Trump.  I suspect that the majority of Republican electors hate Trump; they were, after all, not picked by him or his cronies but by the party establishment.

talking head on CNN right now is part of the problem:

described hackers 'breaking into' podesta's computer

That is FALSE, podesta let them in.

Stupid fucktards . . .

(December 17, 2016 at 12:56 pm)Cato Wrote:

(December 17, 2016 at 12:53 pm)Aroura Wrote: He'll be elected president, but history will also be made by a record number of non faithful electors. Not enough to to change the outcome, but enough to send a message. My wild prediction is that 9 Democrats and 5 or 6 Republicans will will vote for Kasich.
Trump will tweet some nasty nonsense, then get back to the business of letting Pence be president, while he has another twitter tantrum at the next poor slob to gain his ire.

We can disagree with Trump's stated policy positions and loathe his general character, but he's no idiot. I think he chose Pence intentionally as a type of insurance policy against impeachment and assassination. I would seriously rather take my chances and deal with Trump than have the likes of Pence in the oval office.

Kasich was his first choice though

Ch-ch-ch-chia!

I think that the fuzzy green stuff is meant to be on the inside of the head.