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★★ [4.3 SECOND conversion] ★★: CONVERT religious to atheist, in roughly 4.3 seconds.
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RE: ★★ [4.3 SECOND conversion] ★★: CONVERT religious to atheist, in roughly 4.3 seconds.
January 15, 2017 at 11:10 am
(January 15, 2017 at 7:43 am)ProgrammingGodJordan Wrote: It appears no one has yet to negate that of the three initial steps, betwixt the original post.

That's because no one cares enough to bother.
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RE: ★★ [4.3 SECOND conversion] ★★: CONVERT religious to atheist, in roughly 4.3 seconds.
January 15, 2017 at 6:42 pm
(January 15, 2017 at 11:10 am)Mathilda Wrote:
(January 15, 2017 at 7:43 am)ProgrammingGodJordan Wrote: It appears no one has yet to negate that of the three initial steps, betwixt the original post.

That's because no one cares enough to bother.

One may trivially observe the priorly failed attempts
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RE: ★★ [4.3 SECOND conversion] ★★: CONVERT religious to atheist, in roughly 4.3 seconds.
January 15, 2017 at 7:57 pm
Why would anyone accept conclusion one (that absolute knowledge of god is impossible) given premises 1 and 2?

How does the admission that we don't know everything infer that we can't know anything?
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RE: ★★ [4.3 SECOND conversion] ★★: CONVERT religious to atheist, in roughly 4.3 seconds.
January 15, 2017 at 10:35 pm
(January 15, 2017 at 7:57 pm)Aristocatt Wrote: Why would anyone accept conclusion one (that absolute knowledge of god is impossible) given premises 1 and 2?

How does the admission that we don't know everything infer that we can't know anything?

Who made such a claim?
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RE: ★★ [4.3 SECOND conversion] ★★: CONVERT religious to atheist, in roughly 4.3 seconds.
January 16, 2017 at 4:11 am (This post was last modified: January 16, 2017 at 4:14 am by ProgrammingGodJordan.)
(January 15, 2017 at 10:35 pm)ProgrammingGodJordan Wrote:
(January 15, 2017 at 7:57 pm)Aristocatt Wrote: Why would anyone accept conclusion one (that absolute knowledge of god is impossible) given premises 1 and 2?

How does the admission that we don't know everything infer that we can't know anything?

Who made such a claim?

Albeit, "theist" are atheists.

They lack absolute awareness, or sufficient awareness to determine whether or not truth exists.
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RE: ★★ [4.3 SECOND conversion] ★★: CONVERT religious to atheist, in roughly 4.3 seconds.
January 16, 2017 at 5:00 am


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RE: ★★ [4.3 SECOND conversion] ★★: CONVERT religious to atheist, in roughly 4.3 seconds.
January 16, 2017 at 5:39 am
(January 15, 2017 at 8:44 am)ProgrammingGodJordan Wrote: @Godschild

Do you possess omniscience in any event Godschild?
If not, [u]how do you possess omniscience/absolute awareness of God's existence?

.No, do you! If not then how is it you know God doesn't exist and how is it you know that I can't know God with out being omniscient? I have explained how I can know God without being omniscient, now it's your turn to actually answer a question.
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PGJ Wrote:Something to keep in mind:
With "absolute" knowledge of God's existence, you lack belief in such an existence, and thusly, you are atheistic.

That's a statement from a very mixed up mind and I see you paid no attention to my last post..

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God loves those who believe and those who do not and the same goes for me, you have no choice in this matter. That puts the matter of total free will to rest.
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RE: ★★ [4.3 SECOND conversion] ★★: CONVERT religious to atheist, in roughly 4.3 seconds.
January 16, 2017 at 12:10 pm
(January 15, 2017 at 10:35 pm)ProgrammingGodJordan Wrote:
(January 15, 2017 at 7:57 pm)Aristocatt Wrote: Why would anyone accept conclusion one (that absolute knowledge of god is impossible) given premises 1 and 2?

How does the admission that we don't know everything infer that we can't know anything?

Who made such a claim?
You made the claim that the theist is not omniscient.
Then you made the claim that they want absolute knowledge of God.
You then claimed absolute knowledge of God is impossible because of the first premise, that we are not omniscient.
The problem is absolute knowledge and whether or not we can have it is an epistemilogical problem that lot's of people disagree on.
Claiming that one is not omniscient, does not (at least not obviously) lead to the conclusion that absolute knowledge is imposssible.


So, if I misunderstood part of the argument, feel free to explain, however I fail to see how this is a valid argument.
(January 16, 2017 at 4:11 am)ProgrammingGodJordan Wrote:
(January 15, 2017 at 10:35 pm)ProgrammingGodJordan Wrote: Who made such a claim?

Albeit, "theist" are atheists.

They lack absolute awareness, or sufficient awareness to determine whether or not truth exists.

This claim was not part of your original argument.  
Also why should I if I were a theist that claimed absolute knowledge of something accept that I lack sufficient awareness to have absolute knowledge.  My own experience would immediately lead me to reject your premise that I can't determine whether or not I am capable of determining if truth exists.
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RE: ★★ [4.3 SECOND conversion] ★★: CONVERT religious to atheist, in roughly 4.3 seconds.
January 16, 2017 at 5:22 pm (This post was last modified: January 16, 2017 at 5:25 pm by ProgrammingGodJordan.)
@Aristocatt

So, how do you know God is true/absolute, without knowing whether or not truth is possible?

Science, the same thing that built your computer, says that humans observe things probabilistically, never observing any total/absolute information.

(ie humans are non omniscient)
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RE: ★★ [4.3 SECOND conversion] ★★: CONVERT religious to atheist, in roughly 4.3 seconds.
January 16, 2017 at 5:28 pm
Humans are also irrational and self-centred and most of them would rather live in a fantasy that puts them at the center of everything.
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