(January 30, 2017 at 4:37 pm)Jörmungandr Wrote:

(January 30, 2017 at 5:10 am)Little Rik Wrote: Wrong once again yog.  

Your idea that both Storm and Pan Reynolds didn't have their brains completely shut down during their NDE is just one more load of bull.

I documented both cases.  Those are the facts.  If you can't deal with them, that's on you.

(January 30, 2017 at 5:10 am)Little Rik Wrote: When the consciousness take over and give an NDE it does so because the brain is off otherwise it could not do so.

I also documented the case of OBEs while the person was still conscious, as well as the fact that 1/3 of NDEs occur in people who aren't in life threatening situations.  Again, you simply deny the facts.

(January 30, 2017 at 5:10 am)Little Rik Wrote: Your brain can not possibly be able to go over her border of limitations and give you something that is behind her scope.
The brain is made of matter while the consciousness is something abstract.  

And what you don't have is evidence that your assertion is true.  It's just something you pulled from your ass.

Since you don't appear to be able to handle facts and reality, there's little point in talking further.  You're lost in your own dream world.

You're a sad little man who is so invested in his beliefs he can't acknowledge reality when it's staring him in the face.

One more pile o'crap yog.      

What you got to learn yog is that all the brain can give in time of stress are hallucinations not a sharp and clear remember of a spiritual experience.
NDEs are sharp and clear experiences not hallucinations.
You can remember an hallucination for very short time but you can remember a NDE experiences for all your life.
A brain under stress can not put together an NDE therefore all your pile of so called evidence is just such
a pile o'crap.
These so called experts that you try to find even at night with a torch are kidding themselves.
They masturbate their brains in the hope to contradict the evidence but they just fail time and time again.
The truth is in front their very eyes but they go around and around try to put up together a story that make sense.
The truth is very very easy to find.
A brain under stress can only give an hallucination.
That clearly means that the brain during an NDE experience is OFF dead OFF.
If these idiots still can not get it then they can well jump in the lake.  

(January 31, 2017 at 6:58 am)Little Rik Wrote: One more pile o'crap yog.       

What you got to learn yog is that all the brain can give in time of stress are hallucinations not a sharp and clear remember of a spiritual experience.
NDEs are sharp and clear experiences not hallucinations.

Wrong again, "No Evidence" Rik.

Quote:But as we see in the case of G-LOC dreamlets (pleasurable experiences caused by lack of oxygen to the brain during pilot blackouts), some "organic brain malfunctions" clearly produce hallucinatory experiences characterized by clarity of thought, euphoria, and the 'realness' feel of the experience.

https://infidels.org/library/modern/keit...HNDEs.html

You just pulled this stuff about the lack of clarity of hallucinations straight from your ass and it's wrong.

Your "evidence" from NDEs is a pile of crap. They aren't necessarily produced when the brain is off and their clarity can be matched by organic events.

You just can't face reality. Like I said, you're a sad little man, hopelessly indoctrinated in bullshit. Not a single one of your beliefs has evidence.

Quote:The research of Karl Jansen has revealed how the effects of an NDE can be induced by ketamine. In 1996 he published a paper on the subject which concluded "mounting evidence suggests that the reproduction/induction of NDE's by ketamine is not simply an interesting coincidence... ketamine administered by intravenous injection, in appropriate dosage, is capable of reproducing all of the features of the NDE which have been commonly described in the most cited works in this field."

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Near-death_experience

Additionally subjects' testimonials of clarity of thought is presented as evidence of the reality of NDE's. However, consider Jansen's finding that "...30% of normal subjects given ketamine were certain that they had not been dreaming or hallucinating, but that the events had really happened."

http://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Near-death_experience

(January 31, 2017 at 1:26 pm)Jörmungandr Wrote:

(January 31, 2017 at 6:58 am)Little Rik Wrote: One more pile o'crap yog.       

What you got to learn yog is that all the brain can give in time of stress are hallucinations not a sharp and clear remember of a spiritual experience.
NDEs are sharp and clear experiences not hallucinations.

Wrong again, "No Evidence" Rik.

Quote:But as we see in the case of G-LOC dreamlets (pleasurable experiences caused by lack of oxygen to the brain during pilot blackouts), some "organic brain malfunctions" clearly produce hallucinatory experiences characterized by clarity of thought, euphoria, and the 'realness' feel of the experience.

https://infidels.org/library/modern/keit...HNDEs.html

You just pulled this stuff about the lack of clarity of hallucinations straight from your ass and it's wrong.

Your "evidence" from NDEs is a pile of crap.  They aren't necessarily produced when the brain is off and their clarity can be matched by organic events.

You just can't face reality.  Like I said, you're a sad little man, hopelessly indoctrinated in bullshit.  Not a single one of your beliefs has evidence.

It seems that you like and enjoy floating in the mental sewer.      

I suggest you to come in some of the hospital places where I have been working for the last 27 years to see for yourself how the system works.
When people die usually the body rot very fast but these days as soon as people die they are injected with
a liquid that slow down the decay so even after few days the body look like it just died.
What this means in our discussion?
It means that everything in the body (brain included) keep on being active even if the chap is 100% dead.
The process of decay is such that millions of bacteria are on the move.
This activity trick those idiot researchers into believe that the brain is still active.
Surely is active but not in the way that they think.
Nothing therefore to do with a brain able to experience an NDE.  

(February 1, 2017 at 7:02 am)Little Rik Wrote:

(January 31, 2017 at 1:26 pm)Jörmungandr Wrote: Wrong again, "No Evidence" Rik.


You just pulled this stuff about the lack of clarity of hallucinations straight from your ass and it's wrong.

Your "evidence" from NDEs is a pile of crap.  They aren't necessarily produced when the brain is off and their clarity can be matched by organic events.

You just can't face reality.  Like I said, you're a sad little man, hopelessly indoctrinated in bullshit.  Not a single one of your beliefs has evidence.

It seems that you like and enjoy floating in the mental sewer.        

I suggest you to come in some of the hospital places where I have been working for the last 27 years to see for yourself how the system works.
When people die usually the body rot very fast but these days as soon as people die they are injected with
a liquid that slow down the decay so even after few days the body look like it just died.
What this means in our discussion?
It means that everything in the body (brain included) keep on being active even if the chap is 100% dead.
The process of decay is such that millions of bacteria are on the move.
This activity trick those idiot researchers into believe that the brain is still active.
Surely is active but not in the way that they think.
Nothing therefore to do with a brain able to experience an NDE.  

What the hell are you talking about lil rik. You are not the only healthcare worker ln this forum. Bacterial decay trkcks who into thinking there is brain activity?

(February 1, 2017 at 7:02 am)Little Rik Wrote:

(January 31, 2017 at 1:26 pm)Jörmungandr Wrote:

(January 31, 2017 at 6:58 am)Little Rik Wrote: One more pile o'crap yog.

What you got to learn yog is that all the brain can give in time of stress are hallucinations not a sharp and clear remember of a spiritual experience.
NDEs are sharp and clear experiences not hallucinations.

Wrong again, "No Evidence" Rik.

Quote:But as we see in the case of G-LOC dreamlets (pleasurable experiences caused by lack of oxygen to the brain during pilot blackouts), some "organic brain malfunctions" clearly produce hallucinatory experiences characterized by clarity of thought, euphoria, and the 'realness' feel of the experience.

https://infidels.org/library/modern/keit...HNDEs.html

You just pulled this stuff about the lack of clarity of hallucinations straight from your ass and it's wrong.

Your "evidence" from NDEs is a pile of crap.  They aren't necessarily produced when the brain is off and their clarity can be matched by organic events.

You just can't face reality.  Like I said, you're a sad little man, hopelessly indoctrinated in bullshit.  Not a single one of your beliefs has evidence.

It seems that you like and enjoy floating in the mental sewer.        

I suggest you to come in some of the hospital places where I have been working for the last 27 years to see for yourself how the system works.
When people die usually the body rot very fast but these days as soon as people die they are injected with
a liquid that slow down the decay so even after few days the body look like it just died.
What this means in our discussion?
It means that everything in the body (brain included) keep on being active even if the chap is 100% dead.
The process of decay is such that millions of bacteria are on the move.
This activity trick those idiot researchers into believe that the brain is still active.
Surely is active but not in the way that they think.
Nothing therefore to do with a brain able to experience an NDE.  

What the fuck are you talking about?  We went from live people experiencing realistic hallucinations to this garbage about dead people.

G-LOC doesn't apply to dead people.  It's experienced by live pilots.   And the point was that lack of clarity isn't necessarily the case with a hallucinating brain.

You're fucking screwed up if you feel that what you posted has anything to do with the subject being discussed.

What does what you posted have to do with the subject being discussed?

It doesn't. He's just playing at Dolphinetics - leaping from one definition set to another and pretending nothing happened.

(February 1, 2017 at 1:57 pm)Jörmungandr Wrote:

(February 1, 2017 at 7:02 am)Little Rik Wrote: It seems that you like and enjoy floating in the mental sewer.        

I suggest you to come in some of the hospital places where I have been working for the last 27 years to see for yourself how the system works.
When people die usually the body rot very fast but these days as soon as people die they are injected with
a liquid that slow down the decay so even after few days the body look like it just died.
What this means in our discussion?
It means that everything in the body (brain included) keep on being active even if the chap is 100% dead.
The process of decay is such that millions of bacteria are on the move.
This activity trick those idiot researchers into believe that the brain is still active.
Surely is active but not in the way that they think.
Nothing therefore to do with a brain able to experience an NDE.  

What the fuck are you talking about?  We went from live people experiencing realistic hallucinations to this garbage about dead people.

G-LOC doesn't apply to dead people.  It's experienced by live pilots.   And the point was that lack of clarity isn't necessarily the case with a hallucinating brain.

You're fucking screwed up if you feel that what you posted has anything to do with the subject being discussed.

What does what you posted have to do with the subject being discussed?

Fool.  

What the G-LOC has to do with hallucinations or NDEs?
G-LOC is like when Joe the boxer punch you in the head and you go in some sort of coma for a while.
It is you yog that mix up the subject not me.

In fact my previous post was 100% on the subject.
By saying that when you die the bacteria take over this means that chemical reactions happen all over body and brain so those researchers were tricked by these chemical reactions into believing that there
is activity in the brain and the brain was still able to put together some sort of activity which is not the case.

Once the brain is dead there can not be anything coming from it.
Nor NDEs nor hallucinations.
Nothing that is why an NDE can only come from the consciousness that get disconnected from a dead body.  

(February 1, 2017 at 8:07 pm)Little Rik Wrote:

(February 1, 2017 at 1:57 pm)Jörmungandr Wrote: What the fuck are you talking about?  We went from live people experiencing realistic hallucinations to this garbage about dead people.

G-LOC doesn't apply to dead people.  It's experienced by live pilots.   And the point was that lack of clarity isn't necessarily the case with a hallucinating brain.

You're fucking screwed up if you feel that what you posted has anything to do with the subject being discussed.

What does what you posted have to do with the subject being discussed?

Fool.  

What the G-LOC has to do with hallucinations or NDEs?
G-LOC is like when Joe the boxer punch you in the head and you go in some sort of coma for a while.
It is you yog that mix up the subject not me.  

In fact my previous post was 100% on the subject.
By saying that when you die the bacteria take over this means that chemical reactions happen all over body and brain so those researchers were tricked by these chemical reactions into believing that there
is activity in the brain and the brain was still able to put together some sort of activity which is not the case.

Once the brain is dead there can not be anything coming from it.
Nor NDEs nor hallucinations.
Nothing that is why an NDE can only come from the consciousness that get disconnected from a dead body.  

You're an idiot. You were shown to be wrong so you start blabbing incoherent shit.

Well you're done. Your NDE evidence is a pile of shit. Pam Reynolds and Howard Storm both had fully functional brains when they had their NDEs. And it's entirely possible for hallucinations to be clear, sharp, and realistic, as shown. In none of this have you offered any evidence for your nonsensical objections. The researchers were dealing with live subjects, not dead ones.

You're wrong. NDEs don't prove anything about life after death. End of story. And that's all the evidence you have of anything. You've got no other evidence for karma and reincarnation and this whole "how the system works." Your entire worldview was pulled out of Sarkar's ass.

(February 1, 2017 at 7:10 am)chimp3 Wrote: What the hell are you talking about lil rik. You are not the only healthcare worker ln this forum. Bacterial decay trkcks who into thinking there is brain activity?

Why not? It tricked him, didn't it?