"Open border green card system"? You have to jump through a gazillion hoops and pay a fortune to obtain a green card, I'd hardly call that "open border." (As a medical worker who used to be interested in moving to and working in the US, I've done my research.)

Also, Iceland doesn't have a green card, but they do have Residence permits, and they have by no means "eliminated immigration."

Furthermore, they also provide asylum for refugees:
"Persons, who are subject to persecution in their own countries or for other reasons fall under the refugee term according to Icelandic law, have the right to asylum in Iceland. In pressing instances, for example, serious illness or particularly difficult social circumstances in the home state, granting a residence permit on humanitarian grounds is permissible." - Directorate of Immigration website

Because you are idiot wryd you not calling other people idiots does not put you on a high horse

Here's an article about the issue without all of the hysteria.  

http://heavy.com/news/2017/01/barack-oba...migration/

Since people in other countries can move to other countries they should be happy.  There's no reason for anyone to get upset about not being able to move to the US when they can moved to over 180 other countries.  President Arthur banned the Chinese for 10 years and after that the country only admitted 105 per year until 1965.  

Heck, Mexico wouldn't give American black people visas until July 1935.  And Australia wouldn't admit them either.  

Maybe we should be completely fair and just admit 105 people from every country each year.

(February 1, 2017 at 8:25 pm)Wyrd of Gawd Wrote: Here's an article about the issue without all of the hysteria.  

http://heavy.com/news/2017/01/barack-oba...migration/

Since people in other countries can move to other countries they should be happy.  There's no reason for anyone to get upset about not being able to move to the US when they can moved to over 180 other countries.  President Arthur banned the Chinese for 10 years and after that the country only admitted 105 per year until 1965.  

Heck, Mexico wouldn't give American black people visas until July 1935.  And Australia wouldn't admit them either.  

Maybe we should be completely fair and just admit 105 people from every country each year.

So basically, wind the clock back on immigration policy 50+ years and then amplify it? Right...

(February 1, 2017 at 8:35 pm)Iroscato Wrote:

(February 1, 2017 at 8:25 pm)Wyrd of Gawd Wrote: Here's an article about the issue without all of the hysteria.  

http://heavy.com/news/2017/01/barack-oba...migration/

Since people in other countries can move to other countries they should be happy.  There's no reason for anyone to get upset about not being able to move to the US when they can moved to over 180 other countries.  President Arthur banned the Chinese for 10 years and after that the country only admitted 105 per year until 1965.  

Heck, Mexico wouldn't give American black people visas until July 1935.  And Australia wouldn't admit them either.  

Maybe we should be completely fair and just admit 105 people from every country each year.

So basically, wind the clock back on immigration policy 50+ years and then amplify it? Right...

What others in other places in other times did is of no relevance to the here and the now

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(February 1, 2017 at 8:35 pm)Iroscato Wrote:

(February 1, 2017 at 8:25 pm)Wyrd of Gawd Wrote: Here's an article about the issue without all of the hysteria.  

http://heavy.com/news/2017/01/barack-oba...migration/

Since people in other countries can move to other countries they should be happy.  There's no reason for anyone to get upset about not being able to move to the US when they can moved to over 180 other countries.  President Arthur banned the Chinese for 10 years and after that the country only admitted 105 per year until 1965.  

Heck, Mexico wouldn't give American black people visas until July 1935.  And Australia wouldn't admit them either.  

Maybe we should be completely fair and just admit 105 people from every country each year.

So basically, wind the clock back on immigration policy 50+ years and then amplify it? Right...

What others in other places in other times did is of no relevance to the here and the now

(February 1, 2017 at 8:35 pm)Iroscato Wrote:

(February 1, 2017 at 8:25 pm)Wyrd of Gawd Wrote: Here's an article about the issue without all of the hysteria.  

http://heavy.com/news/2017/01/barack-oba...migration/

Since people in other countries can move to other countries they should be happy.  There's no reason for anyone to get upset about not being able to move to the US when they can moved to over 180 other countries.  President Arthur banned the Chinese for 10 years and after that the country only admitted 105 per year until 1965.  

Heck, Mexico wouldn't give American black people visas until July 1935.  And Australia wouldn't admit them either.  

Maybe we should be completely fair and just admit 105 people from every country each year.

So basically, wind the clock back on immigration policy 50+ years and then amplify it? Right...

It's a complex problem.  There are 195 (or 191 if you don't count Taiwan, The Cook Islands, Niue, and the Vatican) countries in the world today.  

Can you list any country where anyone can just walk in and set up house?  So you have 191 countries and not one of them will let aliens walk in and take over.  Sure, a lot of countries take in thousands of refugees from war zones but they won't accept other aliens just because they might want to move there.  

The whole thing is pretty much a BS issue designed to make some people feel good about themselves while screwing over their fellow citizens.

And even the Cato Institute calls Trump out on his bullshit...

Quote:Tomorrow, President Trump is expected to sign an executive order enacting a 30-day suspension of all visas for nationals from Iraq, Iran, Libya, Somalia, Sudan, Syria, and Yemen.  Foreigners from those seven nations have killed zero Americans in terrorist attacks on U.S. soil between 1975 and the end of 2015.  Six Iranians, six Sudanese, two Somalis, two Iraqis, and one Yemini have been convicted of attempting or carrying out terrorist attacks on U.S. soil. Zero Libyans or Syrians have been convicted of planning a terrorist attack on U.S. soil during that time period.

Quote:I exhaustively evaluated Senator Sessions’ list of convictions based on publicly available data and discovered some startling details.

First, 241 of the convictions (42 percent) were not for terrorism offenses.  Senator Sessions puffed his numbers by including “terrorism-related convictions,” a nebulous category that includes investigations that begin due to a terrorism tip but then end in non-terrorism convictions.  My favorite examples of this are the convictions of Nasser Abuali, Hussein Abuali, and Rabi Ahmed.  An informant told the FBI that the trio tried to purchase a rocket-propelled grenade launcher, but the FBI found no evidence supporting the accusation.  The three individuals were instead convicted of receiving two truckloads of stolen cereal.  That is a crime but it is not terrorism.

https://www.cato.org/blog/little-nationa...mmigration

So, tell us again about how this about keeping the country safe and not about stirring up fear to gradually start riddding ourselves of all those undesirable brown people...

(February 2, 2017 at 10:17 am)Faith No More Wrote: And even the Cato Institute calls Trump out on his bullshit...

This really shouldn't be surprising, the Cato Institute is a libertarian think tank and AFAIK are pro-open border.

(February 2, 2017 at 10:48 am)Tiberius Wrote: This really shouldn't be surprising, the Cato Institute is a libertarian think tank and AFAIK are pro-open border.

It's more of the shock that I find myself aligned with the Koch brothers all of a sudden.

I guess Trump really is a uniter.

(February 2, 2017 at 11:00 am)Faith No More Wrote:

(February 2, 2017 at 10:48 am)Tiberius Wrote: This really shouldn't be surprising, the Cato Institute is a libertarian think tank and AFAIK are pro-open border.

It's more of the shock that I find myself aligned with the Koch brothers all of a sudden.

I guess Trump really is a uniter.

Dark times create strange allies