Lets get this out of the way. Liberals have the empathy, and I love them for that. Trump is a fucking bully. He has used the same political demagoguery we have seen in Jim Crow, McCarthism and WW2 Germany.

Having said that, I do warn that demanding "never say ever" is exactly what his base will use against the left, the very same censorship North Korea demands, the same censorship Saudi Arabia and Iran demand in not criticizing their leaders. And wasn't it Bannon, whom now is in a seat of power say "Media should shut up".

It is possible to fight bullies and bigots, and we should. But in doing that liberals have to remember dissent is exactly what closed societies and conservative states want, no dissent, no blasphemy, no criticism of religion or leaders. Liberals must face how dangerous it is, especially now that all 3 branches are under control of the right who does not like our criticism of their bullshit demagoguery, attempts to control women, anti LGBT views. It is a MISTAKE to hand those assholes the power of censorship. PC is their slur, not ours, do not allow them to use that against you. 

Let the fucking bullies be assholes in public, put the zoo animals on display. We have courts that CAN arrest them for inciting violence. We have courts to sue them when they advocate harm of others. Let the fuckers hang themselves. I am afraid in your good intent in protecting pluralism, they will use that same attitude to silence OUR rightful calling them fucking bullies.

So to you Trump, you say you value free speech. GREAT, then keep this up. FUCK YOU, FUCK BANNON FUCK BULLIES...... If you refuse to leave this up, then it is NOT free speech you want, it is submission, just like North Korea, just like Iran, just like Saudi Arabia. Yes, I hate assholes who bully LGBT, bully women, bully journalists, bully judges, bully intel. So if you Trump, hate censorship, hate PC, this liberal isn't PC. Leave it up and PROVE you value free speech. Otherwise. FUCK YOU.

(February 2, 2017 at 9:33 am)Brian37 Wrote: Lets get this out of the way. Liberals have the empathy, and I love them for that. Trump is a fucking bully. He has used the same political demagoguery we have seen in Jim Crow, McCarthism and WW2 Germany.

Having said that, I do warn that demanding "never say ever" is exactly what his base will use against the left, the very same censorship North Korea demands, the same censorship Saudi Arabia and Iran demand in not criticizing their leaders. And wasn't it Bannon, whom now is in a seat of power say "Media should shut up".

It is possible to fight bullies and bigots, and we should. But in doing that liberals have to remember dissent is exactly what closed societies and conservative states want, no dissent, no blasphemy, no criticism of religion or leaders. Liberals must face how dangerous it is, especially now that all 3 branches are under control of the right who does not like our criticism of their bullshit demagoguery, attempts to control women, anti LGBT views. It is a MISTAKE to hand those assholes the power of censorship. PC is their slur, not ours, do not allow them to use that against you. 

Let the fucking bullies be assholes in public, put the zoo animals on display. We have courts that CAN arrest them for inciting violence. We have courts to sue them when they advocate harm of others. Let the fuckers hang themselves. I am afraid in your good intent in protecting pluralism, they will use that same attitude to silence OUR rightful calling them fucking bullies.

So to you Trump, you say you value free speech. GREAT, then keep this up. FUCK YOU, FUCK BANNON FUCK BULLIES...... If you refuse to leave this up, then it is NOT free speech you want, it is submission, just like North Korea, just like Iran, just like Saudi Arabia. Yes, I hate assholes who bully LGBT, bully women, bully journalists, bully judges, bully intel. So if you Trump, hate censorship, hate PC, this liberal isn't PC. Leave it up and PROVE you value free speech. Otherwise. FUCK YOU.

Yeah, no shit! I feel ya man! Fuck those damn conservative bullies! Those damned McCarthyites are trying to rob us of our free speech! Just look at how this damned alt right protest  gets violent because they want to bully and shut down the free speech rights of a poor empathetic liberal who was invited to speak on the campus a particular well known university. This shit just pisses me off!    We have courts that CAN arrest them for this kind of shit! FUCK YOU, FUCK BANNON FUCK BULLIES





WTF!

Aw dammit A Theist you beat me to it!

(February 2, 2017 at 10:22 am)A Theist Wrote:

(February 2, 2017 at 9:33 am)Brian37 Wrote: Lets get this out of the way. Liberals have the empathy, and I love them for that. Trump is a fucking bully. He has used the same political demagoguery we have seen in Jim Crow, McCarthism and WW2 Germany.

Having said that, I do warn that demanding "never say ever" is exactly what his base will use against the left, the very same censorship North Korea demands, the same censorship Saudi Arabia and Iran demand in not criticizing their leaders. And wasn't it Bannon, whom now is in a seat of power say "Media should shut up".

It is possible to fight bullies and bigots, and we should. But in doing that liberals have to remember dissent is exactly what closed societies and conservative states want, no dissent, no blasphemy, no criticism of religion or leaders. Liberals must face how dangerous it is, especially now that all 3 branches are under control of the right who does not like our criticism of their bullshit demagoguery, attempts to control women, anti LGBT views. It is a MISTAKE to hand those assholes the power of censorship. PC is their slur, not ours, do not allow them to use that against you. 

Let the fucking bullies be assholes in public, put the zoo animals on display. We have courts that CAN arrest them for inciting violence. We have courts to sue them when they advocate harm of others. Let the fuckers hang themselves. I am afraid in your good intent in protecting pluralism, they will use that same attitude to silence OUR rightful calling them fucking bullies.

So to you Trump, you say you value free speech. GREAT, then keep this up. FUCK YOU, FUCK BANNON FUCK BULLIES...... If you refuse to leave this up, then it is NOT free speech you want, it is submission, just like North Korea, just like Iran, just like Saudi Arabia. Yes, I hate assholes who bully LGBT, bully women, bully journalists, bully judges, bully intel. So if you Trump, hate censorship, hate PC, this liberal isn't PC. Leave it up and PROVE you value free speech. Otherwise. FUCK YOU.

Yeah, no shit! I feel ya man! Fuck those damn conservative bullies! Those damned McCarthyites are trying to rob us of our free speech! Just look at how this damned alt right protest  gets violent because they want to bully and shut down the free speech rights of a poor empathetic liberal who was invited to speak on the campus a particular well known university. This shit just pisses me off!    We have courts that CAN arrest them for this kind of shit! FUCK YOU, FUCK BANNON FUCK BULLIES





WTF!

Milo Yiannopoulos event canceled after violence erupts

Quote:Amid an apparently organized violent attack and destruction of property at UC Berkeley’s Martin Luther King Jr. Student Union, the UC Police Department (UCPD) determined it was necessary to evacuate controversial speaker Milo Yiannopoulos from campus and to cancel his scheduled 8 p.m. event. The Breitbart News editor had been invited by the Berkeley College Republicans.

At about 10 p.m., campus officials lifted the “shelter in place” order issued earlier in the evening and said Berkeley would be back to business as usual on Thursday. However, UCPD asked the community to be aware that protest activity was still occurring in the city of Berkeley and to avoid streets surrounding the campus.

The violence was instigated by a group of about 150 masked agitators who came onto campus and interrupted an otherwise non-violent protest.

The decision to cancel the event was made at about 6 p.m., and officers read several dispersal announcements to a crowd of more than 1,500 protesters who had gathered outside the student union, where Yiannopoulos was to speak. He immediately was escorted from the building and left campus.

Of paramount importance was the campus’s commitment to ensure the safety and security of those attending the event, the speaker, those who came to engage in lawful protest and members of the public and the Berkeley campus community.

Fires that were deliberately set, one outside the campus Amazon outlet; Molotov cocktails that caused generator-powered spotlights to catch fire; commercial-grade fireworks thrown at police officers; barricades pushed into windows and skirmishes within the crowd were among the evening’s violent acts.

The masked agitators came to campus eastbound on Bancroft Way, and fire damage and other destruction to the Stiles Hall construction site, where a new residence hall is planned, was reported. The group entered campus and immediately began throwing rocks at officers. In an effort to avoid injuries to innocent members of the surrounding crowd who might have been caught in the middle, police officers exercised restraint and did not respond with force.

Agitators also attacked some members of the crowd who were rescued by police. UCPD reported no major injuries and about a half dozen minor injuries. Mutual aid officers from the city of Oakland and from Alameda County arrived at Berkeley around 7:45 p.m. to assist UCPD and Berkeley city police.

No arrests had been made by UCPD as of 9:30 p.m.

Campus officials said they condemn in the strongest possible terms the violence and unlawful behavior that was on display and deeply regret that those tactics now overshadow the efforts of the majority to engage in legitimate and lawful protest against the performer’s presence at Berkeley and his perspectives.

UC Berkeley officials and UCPD went to extraordinary lengths to plan for this event, working closely with the Berkeley College Republicans and putting the appropriate resources in place to maintain security. Officials were in contact with other university campuses where Yiannopoulos had been asked to speak, and they paid close attention to lessons learned. Dozens of additional police officers were on duty for Wednesday’s scheduled event, and multiple methods of crowd control were in place. Ultimately, and unfortunately, however, it was impossible to maintain order given the level of threat, disruption and organized violence.

Campus officials added that they regret that the threats and unlawful actions of a few have interfered with the exercise of First Amendment rights on a campus that is proud of its history and legacy as the home of the Free Speech Movement.

In an earlier message to the Berkeley campus community, Chancellor Nicholas Dirks made it clear that while Yiannopoulos’ views, tactics and rhetoric are profoundly contrary to those of the campus, UC Berkeley is bound by the Constitution, the law and the university’s values and  Principles of Community, which include the enabling of free expression across the full spectrum of opinion and perspective.

This was done by group of anarchists from the Bay Area, not Cal students.

https://twitter.com/scottsaul4/status/82...92/photo/1

It wouldn't shock me if it was trump supporters causing damage in order to make the protesters look bad. Never in my life could I have imagined myself saying that, but there it is.

Not to mention, the reason the protest was happening was not solely because of Milo's abhorrent trolling.

He was doxxing a student, sending out personally identifying information to his Twitter followers because she was a trans person that Milo felt couldn't pass. His alt-right army was sending death threats and threatening personal relationships with this person. This is the same reason why reddit shut down /r/alt-right yesterday. It gets actually dangerous.

That was the reason that the students were protesting in the first place. The college decided to cancel the speech as a result of protest. I don't know how this is restricting Milo's free speech in any way. In fact, this is how democracy works. Enough people showed up and voiced their opinion, and the college listened to them. He could still post up at a local park and give his speech.

To equate what happened here to the president freezing out any media outlet that reports on him negatively is just lunacy.

(February 2, 2017 at 1:28 pm)alpha male Wrote: Aw dammit A Theist you beat me to it!

I don't understand the thread title. I'm a well intended liberal and I don't have overpowered erectile dysfunction at all.

(February 2, 2017 at 2:10 pm)SteelCurtain Wrote: Not to mention, the reason the protest was happening was not solely because of Milo's abhorrent trolling.

He was doxxing a student, sending out personally identifying information to his Twitter followers because she was a trans person that Milo felt couldn't pass. His alt-right army was sending death threats and threatening personal relationships with this person. This is the same reason why reddit shut down /r/alt-right yesterday. It gets actually dangerous.

That was the reason that the students were protesting in the first place. The college decided to cancel the speech as a result of protest. I don't know how this is restricting Milo's free speech in any way. In fact, this is how democracy works. Enough people showed up and voiced their opinion, and the college listened to them. He could still post up at a local park and give his speech.

To equate what happened here to the president freezing out any media outlet that reports on him negatively is just lunacy.

Facts!??

How dare you interrupt a diatribe with facts?

Those things are just SO damned inconvenient...

(February 2, 2017 at 2:10 pm)SteelCurtain Wrote: Not to mention, the reason the protest was happening was not solely because of Milo's abhorrent trolling.

He was doxxing a student, sending out personally identifying information to his Twitter followers because she was a trans person that Milo felt couldn't pass. His alt-right army was sending death threats and threatening personal relationships with this person. This is the same reason why reddit shut down /r/alt-right yesterday. It gets actually dangerous.

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Wow, really?