(February 2, 2017 at 11:00 am)Faith No More Wrote:

(February 2, 2017 at 10:48 am)Tiberius Wrote: This really shouldn't be surprising, the Cato Institute is a libertarian think tank and AFAIK are pro-open border.

It's more of the shock that I find myself aligned with the Koch brothers all of a sudden.

I guess Trump really is a uniter.

Change of perspective is my guess. Libertarians are usually fiscally conservative and socially liberal. Obama was for the most part socially liberal and the main complaints from Libertarians during his Presidency were with fiscal issues. Trump isn't really either fiscally conservative or socially liberal, so you'll likely find Libertarians complaining more loudly during his Presidency.

(February 2, 2017 at 11:44 am)Tiberius Wrote: Trump isn't really either fiscally conservative or socially liberal, so you'll likely find Libertarians complaining more loudly during his Presidency.

As soon as he's hurting business interests, there will be complaints left, right and center. And he's on his best way to do it.

(February 1, 2017 at 3:55 pm)Wyrd of Gawd Wrote:

(February 1, 2017 at 3:40 pm)downbeatplumb Wrote: The world is concerned at the behaviour of Trump. get out of your bubble and look at the news from every where. You know the doomsday clock has been moved forward as a direct result of Trumps evil doings.

http://www.reuters.com/video/2017/01/26/...oChannel=1

Sure, they moved the hands of the doomsday clock forward but it has nothing to do with the immigration EO.

Everything he does is a concern to the world.
His stance on Islam will stoke up trouble for the future making new jihadists as we speak.
And his ability to have any coherent views or measured response is seen as a new weakness for your country.

https://www.thestar.com/news/world/2017/...n-why.html

I would go as far as saying that Russia as well as Trump's USA position themselves as biggest threats to the EU. Both have a vested interest in destroying the community and are pretty vocal about it. Trump in encouraging other countries to follow the Brits and Putin visiting Hungary just today to negotiate new energy treaties that are in direct violation to EU policy and sanctions.

I'm not entirely sure how our politicians will react, but Juncker already said that Trump should keep his nose out of European affairs.

(February 2, 2017 at 1:51 pm)downbeatplumb Wrote:

(February 1, 2017 at 3:55 pm)Wyrd of Gawd Wrote: Sure, they moved the hands of the doomsday clock forward but it has nothing to do with the immigration EO.

Everything he does is a concern to the world.
His stance on Islam will stoke up trouble for the future making new jihadists as we speak.
And his ability to have any coherent views or measured response is seen as a new weakness for your country.

https://www.thestar.com/news/world/2017/...n-why.html

Which came first, the chicken or the egg?  You can eat both, fried or boiled.  If people would be peaceful without Trump's stance on Islam why has there been muslim terrorists since 615 AD?  I've seen a lot of attacks by jihadists long before Trump and there will be a lot after he's gone.  

Since the Europeans are so nice why do the jihadists keep attacking them?  

Trump's stated view is that it's time to put America first and make America great again.  His actions are meant to accomplish that.

(February 2, 2017 at 9:25 pm)Wyrd of Gawd Wrote:

(February 2, 2017 at 1:51 pm)downbeatplumb Wrote: Everything he does is a concern to the world.
His stance on Islam will stoke up trouble for the future making new jihadists as we speak.
And his ability to have any coherent views or measured response is seen as a new weakness for your country.

https://www.thestar.com/news/world/2017/...n-why.html

Which came first, the chicken or the egg?  You can eat both, fried or boiled.  If people would be peaceful without Trump's stance on Islam why has there been muslim terrorists since 615 AD?  I've seen a lot of attacks by jihadists long before Trump and there will be a lot after he's gone.  

Since the Europeans are so nice why do the jihadists keep attacking them?  

Trump's stated view is that it's time to put America first and make America great again.  His actions are meant to accomplish that.

By the way the egg came first by millions of years.


Trumps actions diminishes the US in every conceivable way.
His stance on Muslims emboldens and strengthens the terrorists giving them exactly what they want.
His isolationist policy weakens NATO and economically his threats to inflict raised taxes on other countries goods will lead to tit for tat economic raises which will inevitably lead to US citizens paying more for stuff.

remember the last two world wars happened when the US was in isolationist mode.

(February 2, 2017 at 11:44 am)Tiberius Wrote:

(February 2, 2017 at 11:00 am)Faith No More Wrote: It's more of the shock that I find myself aligned with the Koch brothers all of a sudden.

I guess Trump really is a uniter.

Change of perspective is my guess. Libertarians are usually fiscally conservative and socially liberal. Obama was for the most part socially liberal and the main complaints from Libertarians during his Presidency were with fiscal issues. Trump isn't really either fiscally conservative or socially liberal, so you'll likely find Libertarians complaining more loudly during his Presidency.

The Koch's have no trouble aligning with the fundie religious right when it means their economic views become policy. They did set up the Teahadists after all, and were big pals to the likes of Falwell and Robertson.

I'd say it's more of a case they're getting worried to access to Chinese slave labour being cut.

(February 3, 2017 at 12:27 pm)downbeatplumb Wrote:

(February 2, 2017 at 9:25 pm)Wyrd of Gawd Wrote: Which came first, the chicken or the egg?  You can eat both, fried or boiled.  If people would be peaceful without Trump's stance on Islam why has there been muslim terrorists since 615 AD?  I've seen a lot of attacks by jihadists long before Trump and there will be a lot after he's gone.  

Since the Europeans are so nice why do the jihadists keep attacking them?  

Trump's stated view is that it's time to put America first and make America great again.  His actions are meant to accomplish that.

By the way the egg came first by millions of years.


Trumps actions diminishes the US in every conceivable way.
His stance on Muslims emboldens and strengthens the terrorists giving them exactly what they want.
His isolationist policy weakens NATO and economically his threats to inflict raised taxes on other countries goods will lead to tit for tat economic raises which will inevitably lead to US citizens paying more for stuff.

remember the last two world wars happened when the US was in isolationist mode.

So Trump is responsible for the jihadist in Paris that attacked the cops yesterday?  

The US created NATO.  If it no longer serves our purpose why should we continue to be in it?  

If other countries raise taxes on our goods it will increase their tax revenue giving them more money to spend on their infrastructures.  On the flip side it will also impose a financial burden on their poorer citizens wrecking their economies.  

A lot of the big wigs claim that there are too many people on the planet so they want to get rid of about 80% of the world's population.  They don't care how it's done because they don't expect to be in the 80% that's killed off.  As usual they expect other people to do the dying while they reap the benefits.

Indeed trumps stance on Islam is an ideological victory for ISIS

Just to update this topic a federal judge has issued an order allowing everyone and his brother into the US.    http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/fede...1eys3jtt9&

Trump will most likely appeal to the SCOTUS.  He simply can't allow local judges to set national policy on such an important issue.