(February 7, 2017 at 9:45 am)Neo-Scholastic Wrote:

(February 7, 2017 at 12:27 am)Whateverist Wrote: Damned if I know.  I don't speak acronym.  But I looked up SJW = social justice warrior.  Ho hum.

Old White Men

Wut?  I'll have you know I resemble that remark!

(February 7, 2017 at 3:23 am)CapnAwesome Wrote: Before this election I heard over and over again that this would be the year the Republican party collapsed. Now it's vice versa. Democrats used to be the peace party, then they nominated a war hawk who kept insulting the worlds other nuclear super power during the campaign. I agree with dyresand, they need to clean house. The average age of the Democratic party leadership is 75 years old. You can't be the party of young people and minorities when your party leadership is a bunch of old white people.

I agree, for the most part (not so sure I'd characterize the Dems as the 'peace party' though). I'd just be careful about assuming this isn't also indicative of the GOP's collapse, as well -- at least the GOP as it's existed for the past few decades. There's no telling what beast will emerge from the unholy mingling of nationalist populism, religious pandering, and traditionally conservative economic policies.

Basically, Trump has head-fucked both parties and has cast them into a period of uncertainty. Yes, the Democrats have a lot of problems, but one of them won't be owning the Trump Presidency if everything goes to hell. That will fall to Republican lawmakers who cravenly placed power and party over principles.

It's an interesting time to be a political junkie.

(February 7, 2017 at 11:33 am)Whateverist Wrote:

(February 7, 2017 at 9:45 am)Neo-Scholastic Wrote: Old White Men

Wut?  I'll have you know I resemble that remark!

Then check your privilege and hop on the Trump plane 'cause you ain't wanted there no more.  

Take a careful look. These are the real deal, not the hysterical angst about 'endorsements' by the KKK. No this is REAL organized political violence.

Trump Protesters Turn Violent

I don't seriously believe that you would approve of these 'progressives', Whateverist. You are most certainly a peaceful and thoughtful person. At the same time the anti-Trump hyperbole of Democrats and media apologists seems to be feeding this kind of rioting.

Trump is not wanted anymore by anyone with an ounce of perspective. I've still got that. So I don't want to go anywhere with the orange clown.

I'm not sure why you'd call those people "progressives"...especially considering the link you chose to offer up..in which, these gems appear-

Quote:We don’t ask permission or put our faith in electoral politics, instead, we use our bodies to stop the smooth operation of the system we oppose

Quote:As we resist, we will create new governing institutions, new economic relationships, and new ways of being human,

OFC, I actually do know why you called them "progressives"..and also why you chose to lead in with the kkk bit directly beforehand, and why you chose to frame this as "the real deal" as though the kkk were something other than a white supremacist terror group with an overtly political agenda and clear history of violence.....who just so happens to be all in for your boy Trump, for all of the same reasons that you are.  At least the kkk has the dignity to admit what is so plainly obvious, and at least these folks rioting to depose trump have a worthy cause.    You're just a transparent shill.

So...who's down for a little Against Me!  ?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8ScFU0UxKWA

Too much is made of how Trump must have done a good job because he won. That he tapped into the wishes of the people in some intelligent way.

IMO Trump was the lucky benefactor of a right wing media campaign that has been going on for decades. The RWM has simply infused fear and loathing of anything having to do with the gubmint and politicians into the large group of average low information voters regardless of their views on any particular issue. The RWM thought this would give Republican politicians an advantage but I don't think they foresaw a wealthy egomaniac stumbling into their strategy of fear mongering about the horrors of anything having to do with government and using it against their own preferred candidates.

I don't think Trump knew any of this either (because he really isn't that smart) but as the only "non politician" available, people thought that he would be great simply by virtue of not being a politician. He actually ran an absolutely horrible campaign and won in spite of himself. Had a reasonable, intelligent "non politician" run against him, that person would have mopped the floor with Trump in either the primaries or the general election. Think of a Trump without foot in mouth disease.

For a large number of voters, he basically ran unopposed so it didn't matter what he said or did and neither the Dems nor the Republicans could do a thing about it. He was in the right place at the right time and that's about all there is to his success in politics.

Trump beat 19 others so he must have a lot going for him. It seems that the whiners ate a lot of sour grapes.

He's got plenty going for him, people are just having trouble acknowledging what those things are, to themselves or others (take your pick), in their america, today. They'd rather imagine that he ran unopposed, or that people didn't know what they were voting for or on, or any number of other equally ludicrous explanations...whatever it takes to avoid the obvious but uncomfortable.

I think if humanity has a history that stretches longer than the next fifty years (a tall order, I know), 2016 will go down as the year one of the two main US parties realised they had irrevicably lost the people and decided to try and institute a one party state by jimmying the vote in favour of a man with a European Squirrel on his head.