(March 21, 2017 at 2:08 pm)val5662 Wrote: Nobody game me a real answer yet.Seriously, please explain your idea or theory of the question:
"Where did all the living creatures ,including us, come from and managed to be so complex like all living beings are?"
Please try to refrain from just joking around or asking a question to my question.Thanks!

Here's a thing for you to ponder.  What if my answer to your question were "I don't know."

(March 21, 2017 at 2:08 pm)val5662 Wrote: Nobody game me a real answer yet.Seriously, please explain your idea or theory of the question:
"Where did all the living creatures ,including us, come from and managed to be so complex like all living beings are?"
Please try to refrain from just joking around or asking a question to my question.Thanks!

Look, you don't want a serious answer. You don't want the current scientific consensus on that subject. You don't want to hear the most likely possibility. If you did, you'd start by reading on the most obvious places:
Big Bang
Formation and Evolution of the Solar System
Abiogenesis
Evolutionary Developmental Biology

But you want to hear something and then throw a Ah-HA! moment and declare your pet-god as the one explanation to all.
It's always the same with you people... We grow tired and then, obviously, joke around... It's the only way to deal with wilful ignorance.

val5662 Wrote:Ok, so after the big bang happened please explain in a nutshell where all the living creatures ,including us, came from and managed to be so complex like all living beings are?

Glad you're not a 'one-post wonder' and are participating in your own thread. From what you said in your first post about 'one question', I assume you are satisfied with the answers you got on the Big Bang. I'm gratified that your new question actually concerns evolution.

What would it mean for your position if we had no idea at all? Nothing. Not being able to answer your questions doesn't make whatever answer you have in mind the slightest bit more likely. If you think that it does, that logical fallacy is known as an argument from ignorance, and the practice of filling in any holes in our knowledge with your favorite deity reduces it to a 'God of the Gaps'.

But in a nutshell, organic chemistry, which goes on all the time without life needing to be involved at all and is capable of producing highly complex molecules under conditions that there was evidence for being the case likely produced a molecule capable of replicating itself. Once you have a self-replicating molecule with high but not perfect fidelity, the process of evolution takes over, and is perfectly capable of 'adding complexity'. If you aren't mystified by a snowflake forming from water vapor, this shouldn't be too astounding for you.

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Longhorn Wrote:

val5662 Wrote:Ok, so after the big bang happened please explain in a nutshell where all the living creatures ,including us, came from and managed to be so complex like all living beings are?

Can I ask you a question?  

Why do you think being an atheist means you have to not only understand but clearly explain to a layman complex scientific theories?

If you are truly interested in the process of evolution and the history of life on Earth, I think you should reach for a book written by an actual evolutionary biologist. That should answer any questions you have. You could also just Google scientific papers or articles.

I wasn't going to get involved in this thread, because I like my blood pressure as it is But this really isn't the right place to look for education... and if your argument was going to be "you can't explain it clearly enough, therefore intelligent design and creationism", then save yourself time - that leap in logic is not going to fly.

It's actually very flattering. To many Christians, apparently, we come of as experts on a variety of scientific topics. It's relative, I suppose.

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val5662 Wrote:Nobody game me a real answer yet.Seriously, please explain your idea or theory of the question:
"Where did all the living creatures ,including us, come from and managed to be so complex like all living beings are?"
Please try to refrain from just joking around or asking a question to my question.Thanks!

When you string people along and don't get to the point, they're entitled to fill in the time with jokes at your expense. Here's my question for you: Why don't you just cut to the chase?

(March 21, 2017 at 2:32 pm)Mister Agenda Wrote:

val5662 Wrote:Ok, so after the big bang happened please explain in a nutshell where all the living creatures ,including us, came from and managed to be so complex like all living beings are?

Glad you're not a 'one-post wonder' and are participating in your own thread. From what you said in your first post about 'one question', I assume you are satisfied with the answers you got on the Big Bang. I'm gratified that your new question actually concerns evolution.

What would it mean for your position if we had no idea at all? Nothing. Not being able to answer your questions doesn't make whatever answer you have in mind the slightest bit more likely. If you think that it does, that logical fallacy is known as an argument from ignorance, and the practice of filling in any holes in our knowledge with your favorite deity reduces it to a 'God of the Gaps'.

But in a nutshell, organic chemistry, which goes on all the time without life needing to be involved at all and is capable of producing highly complex molecules under conditions that there was evidence for being the case likely produced a molecule capable of replicating itself. Once you have a self-replicating molecule with high but not perfect fidelity, the process of evolution takes over, and is perfectly capable of 'adding complexity'. If you aren't mystified by a snowflake forming from water vapor, this shouldn't be too astounding for you.

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Longhorn Wrote:Can I ask you a question?  

Why do you think being an atheist means you have to not only understand but clearly explain to a layman complex scientific theories?

If you are truly interested in the process of evolution and the history of life on Earth, I think you should reach for a book written by an actual evolutionary biologist. That should answer any questions you have. You could also just Google scientific papers or articles.

I wasn't going to get involved in this thread, because I like my blood pressure as it is But this really isn't the right place to look for education... and if your argument was going to be "you can't explain it clearly enough, therefore intelligent design and creationism", then save yourself time - that leap in logic is not going to fly.

It's actually very flattering. To many Christians, apparently, we come of as experts on a variety of scientific topics. It's relative, I suppose.

I actually know atheists IRL that understand next to no science. They simply say they don't believe in magic.

Me? I like science, math and logic. Its a hobby.

(March 21, 2017 at 2:08 pm)val5662 Wrote: Nobody game me a real answer yet.Seriously, please explain your idea or theory of the question:
"Where did all the living creatures ,including us, come from and managed to be so complex like all living beings are?"
Please try to refrain from just joking around or asking a question to my question.Thanks!

Ya know, you could have looked up any of this if you wanted. Poca gave you some sites, did you read them? Or do we have reading comprehension issues that need to be addressed? 

Some others:

http://evolution.berkeley.edu/evolibrary...0_0/evo_01

http://evolution.berkeley.edu/evolibrary...soflife_01

(March 21, 2017 at 2:20 pm)pocaracas Wrote:

(March 21, 2017 at 2:08 pm)val5662 Wrote: Nobody game me a real answer yet.Seriously, please explain your idea or theory of the question:
"Where did all the living creatures ,including us, come from and managed to be so complex like all living beings are?"
Please try to refrain from just joking around or asking a question to my question.Thanks!

Look, you don't want a serious answer. You don't want the current scientific consensus on that subject. You don't want to hear the most likely possibility. If you did, you'd start by reading on the most obvious places:
Big Bang
Formation and Evolution of the Solar System
Abiogenesis
Evolutionary Developmental Biology

But you want to hear something and then throw a Ah-HA! moment and declare your pet-god as the one explanation to all.
It's always the same with you people... We grow tired and then, obviously, joke around... It's the only way to deal with wilful ignorance.

I loved my mom, but if she kept repeating every day "The New England Patriots beat the Chicago Cubs in the Stanley Cup", I still love her, but that repeated claim would still be false and it would irritate me enough to correct her. That is how atheists feel about all religions and god claims. Other life does not create religions or create superstitions or myths. Our species merely makes these things up because they like the idea of it.

Most atheists don't hate the religious, but we do hate the bad logic theists use to defend their positions. It is hard to take anyone seriously when they make claims based old mythology or even new age woo that is not objective or universal.

(March 21, 2017 at 2:08 pm)val5662 Wrote: Nobody game me a real answer yet.Seriously, please explain your idea or theory of the question:
"Where did all the living creatures ,including us, come from and managed to be so complex like all living beings are?"
Please try to refrain from just joking around or asking a question to my question.Thanks!

Abiogenesis is not evolutionary theory, it's the border between chemistry and biology, and thus irrelevant to your supposed question.

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BTW, you don't have to give a single flying fuck about evolution to be an atheist. I didn't for 5.5 decades.

(March 21, 2017 at 3:26 pm)Gawdzilla Sama Wrote:

(March 21, 2017 at 2:08 pm)val5662 Wrote: Nobody game me a real answer yet.Seriously, please explain your idea or theory of the question:
"Where did all the living creatures ,including us, come from and managed to be so complex like all living beings are?"
Please try to refrain from just joking around or asking a question to my question.Thanks!

Abiogenesis is not evolutionary theory, it's the border between chemistry and biology, and thus irrelevant to your supposed question.

It can be, chemical evolution.

(March 21, 2017 at 2:08 pm)val5662 Wrote: Nobody game me a real answer yet.Seriously, please explain your idea or theory of the question:
"Where did all the living creatures ,including us, come from and managed to be so complex like all living beings are?"
Please try to refrain from just joking around or asking a question to my question.Thanks!

Did you not listen to Spock?

Right that's it, on the bold step you go, and you'd better think about what you did wrong young man!

(March 21, 2017 at 4:28 pm)Tazzycorn Wrote:

(March 21, 2017 at 2:08 pm)val5662 Wrote: Nobody game me a real answer yet.Seriously, please explain your idea or theory of the question:
"Where did all the living creatures ,including us, come from and managed to be so complex like all living beings are?"
Please try to refrain from just joking around or asking a question to my question.Thanks!

Did you not listen to Spock?

Right that's it, on the bold step you go, and you'd better think about what you did wrong young man!

See, there is the problem. To little Spock, to much spook!