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RE: Evolution Questions
March 24, 2017 at 3:41 pm
So you didn't have any evolution question..just a bunch of god opinions? For fucks sake, what's with all the foreplay?
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RE: Evolution Questions
March 24, 2017 at 3:43 pm
(March 24, 2017 at 3:38 pm)val5662 Wrote: (March 24, 2017 at 3:25 pm)downbeatplumb Wrote: Subatomic particles have been proved to exist, a creator not so much.
And anyway the idea that "a creator did it" explains nothing.
Where did the creator get the stuff?
You see by saying a creator did it you are now doubling the problem, you not only have to explain where the stuff came from but where the creator, a supposedly complex being, came from and how did it get complex?
how did it evolve? Simple answer, but the human mind cannot fathom the reality of it.The Creator always existed.When you get bored,maybe just read an online Bible and you can see how He tells us how he created everything.If you think you have a better answer for how the universe and all the complex living creatures came to be,that's great.Also remember "Just because you cannot prove something exists does not mean it doesn't exist."
I read the bible, what a piece of shit that was. Although I did chuckle at the gay wrestling god did with Jacob I think it was, a bit of homo erotic fiction smuggled in for no reason it seemed.
Quote:That night Jacob got up and took his two wives, his two female servants and his eleven sons and crossed the ford of the Jabbok. 23 After he had sent them across the stream, he sent over all his possessions. 24 So Jacob was left alone, and a man wrestled with him till daybreak. 25 When the man saw that he could not overpower him, he touched the socket of Jacob’s hip so that his hip was wrenched as he wrestled with the man. 26 Then the man said, “Let me go, for it is daybreak.”
But Jacob replied, “I will not let you go unless you bless me.”
27 The man asked him, “What is your name?”
“Jacob,” he answered.
28 Then the man said, “Your name will no longer be Jacob, but Israel,[a] because you have struggled with God and with humans and have overcome.”
29 Jacob said, “Please tell me your name.”
But he replied, “Why do you ask my name?” Then he blessed him there.
30 So Jacob called the place Peniel,[b] saying, “It is because I saw God face to face, and yet my life was spared.”
31 The sun rose above him as he passed Peniel,[c] and he was limping because of his hip. 32 Therefore to this day the Israelites do not eat the tendon attached to the socket of the hip, because the socket of Jacob’s hip was touched near the tendon.
He just randomly started wrestling with a passing dude, it does not say how it started or anything. Sounds like a night at the blue oyster club.
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RE: Evolution Questions
March 24, 2017 at 3:43 pm
(March 24, 2017 at 3:41 pm)Khemikal Wrote: So you didn't have any evolution question..just a bunch of god opinions? For fucks sake, what's with all the foreplay? To quote someone on RD.net,
After all your posturing, all your little speeches, you're nothing but a common theist.
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RE: Evolution Questions
March 24, 2017 at 3:45 pm
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(March 24, 2017 at 3:35 pm)Alex K Wrote: (March 24, 2017 at 3:10 pm)val5662 Wrote: Ok, lets go with the "Big Bang" theory since a lot of you agree with that.
In your opinion, not somebody else's writings, what exploded at that instant?
Nothing, because it was neither an explosion, nor was it probably an instant. Evidence points to something like an inflationary epoch which can be triggered by random quantum fluctuations of something like the higgs field. But while there are several observations supporting this, the idea is still speculative because there are not sufficiently many data points to reliably nail down a theory yet. Nobody knows what exactly happened, and no serious scientist would tell you that they know for sure. Once you move away from these extremely early times, things become clearer though - the origin of the primordial hydrogen and the formation of stars, and the creation of the heavier elements and all that is pretty uncontroversial. If you're asking for the "moment of creation", it's not clear whether something like that exists. BTW....you might want to correct your "signature"....it supposed to read:
The fool hath said in his heart, There is no God. They are corrupt, they have done abominable works, there is none that doeth good.
If that wasn't an error on your part....and you modified it a tad on purpose...sorry! 
(March 24, 2017 at 3:41 pm)FatAndFaithless Wrote: (March 24, 2017 at 3:38 pm)val5662 Wrote: Simple answer, but the human mind cannot fathom the reality of it.The Creator always existed.When you get bored,maybe just read an online Bible and you can see how He tells us how he created everything.If you think you have a better answer for how the universe and all the complex living creatures came to be,that's great.Also remember "Just because you cannot prove something exists does not mean it doesn't exist."
Bolded mine.
Prove it.
You missed the:
"Just because you cannot prove something exists does not mean it doesn't exist."
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RE: Evolution Questions
March 24, 2017 at 3:52 pm
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(March 24, 2017 at 3:45 pm)val5662 Wrote: (March 24, 2017 at 3:41 pm)FatAndFaithless Wrote: Bolded mine.
Prove it.
You missed the:
"Just because you cannot prove something exists does not mean it doesn't exist."
So...you have nothing to provide in support of the existence of your god?
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RE: Evolution Questions
March 24, 2017 at 4:01 pm
(March 24, 2017 at 3:38 pm)val5662 Wrote: (March 24, 2017 at 3:25 pm)downbeatplumb Wrote: Subatomic particles have been proved to exist, a creator not so much.
And anyway the idea that "a creator did it" explains nothing.
Where did the creator get the stuff?
You see by saying a creator did it you are now doubling the problem, you not only have to explain where the stuff came from but where the creator, a supposedly complex being, came from and how did it get complex?
how did it evolve? Simple answer, but the human mind cannot fathom the reality of it.The Creator always existed.When you get bored,maybe just read an online Bible and you can see how He tells us how he created everything.If you think you have a better answer for how the universe and all the complex living creatures came to be,that's great.Also remember "Just because you cannot prove something exists does not mean it doesn't exist." What came before the "Creator"?
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RE: Evolution Questions
March 24, 2017 at 4:08 pm
(March 24, 2017 at 3:38 pm)val5662 Wrote: If you think you have a better answer for how the universe and all the complex living creatures came to be,that's great. If a creator that would be vastly more complex then the universe it created doesn't need its own creator, why does the universe need one?
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RE: Evolution Questions
March 24, 2017 at 4:26 pm
(March 24, 2017 at 3:43 pm)Alex K Wrote: (March 24, 2017 at 3:41 pm)Khemikal Wrote: So you didn't have any evolution question..just a bunch of god opinions? For fucks sake, what's with all the foreplay? To quote someone on RD.net,
After all your posturing, all your little speeches, you're nothing but a common theist.
Can one so forsaken as to be a theist in the 21st century be uncommon in the sense of having any laudable distinction?
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RE: Evolution Questions
March 24, 2017 at 5:14 pm
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(March 24, 2017 at 3:38 pm)val5662 Wrote: (March 24, 2017 at 3:25 pm)downbeatplumb Wrote: Subatomic particles have been proved to exist, a creator not so much.
And anyway the idea that "a creator did it" explains nothing.
Where did the creator get the stuff?
You see by saying a creator did it you are now doubling the problem, you not only have to explain where the stuff came from but where the creator, a supposedly complex being, came from and how did it get complex?
how did it evolve? Simple answer, but the human mind cannot fathom the reality of it.The Creator always existed.When you get bored,maybe just read an online Bible and you can see how He tells us how he created everything.If you think you have a better answer for how the universe and all the complex living creatures came to be,that's great.Also remember "Just because you cannot prove something exists does not mean it doesn't exist."
Val, you missed the "not someone else's writings".
(March 24, 2017 at 3:45 pm)val5662 Wrote: You missed the:
"Just because you cannot prove something exists does not mean it doesn't exist."
And just because you say something exists does not mean that is does, except as fantasy. Your belief that it is real makes it delusion. I'll admit that it is a delusion that is currently accepted by our society but that situation is being corrected.
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RE: Evolution Questions
March 24, 2017 at 5:58 pm
Why do you guys do this to yourselves?
OP, just admit that you are not here to actually learn about evolution. You have exactly zero knowledge of what evolution or the BBT actually is, you are imposing these non-sensical ad-hoc rules about how someone is allowed to explain it to you, and you seem to think that an adequate description of a subject with volumes of data in support of it should be able to fit in one or two lines without attribution or sources.
We get it. You're a proudly undereducated conspiracy theorist. 9/11 was an inside job and Michelle Obama is a man in drag. Run along now.
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