I'm not sure what problem Jesus being crucified twice is supposed to solve, but Scripture is unyielding on the topic, and I presume Christian theologians are working on it. In the science realm, when seeming contradictions arise, they are viewed as opportunities to explore/revise/experiment more as opposed to 'religion' where such things as Jesus getting the cross twice just invoke an awkward silence and then they move on to more BS . . .

I'll repeat this just because it seems Rik ignored it.

Let's say that the answers to your questions were "We don't know yet." Where do we go from there?

(May 1, 2017 at 11:01 am)vorlon13 Wrote: I'm not sure what problem Jesus being crucified twice is supposed to solve, but Scripture is unyielding on the topic, and I presume Christian theologians are working on it.  In the science realm, when seeming contradictions arise, they are viewed as opportunities to explore/revise/experiment more as opposed to 'religion' where such things as Jesus getting the cross twice just invoke an awkward silence and then they move on to more BS . . .

Gee, I didn't know that.........Jesus being crucified twice......
Something new to me.
Beside I do agree that science ...........explore/revise/experiment more as opposed to 'religion' ......
That is also one reason why I don't follow religions.  

(May 1, 2017 at 10:32 am)Little Rik Wrote: After so many years that most of you guys praise science as the panacea to human problems
now is time to show that you know something about science.

Here are three of the very basic questions.

1) In the existence of this universe of ours in which order the fundamental factors came.
The matter, the water, the light-energy, the air or the space?
(Did the matter came first or last and what about the other factors?)

2) And why one factor came first and the next follow?

3) What is the best way to understand how the above universal factors are positioned or arranged?

Remember that I did not say anything about a creator so let us concentrate on science alone.

Science is simply the best tool we have to explain phenomena. It does this way better than religion because it is verifiable. It is no panacea. 

Re: fundamental factors - since when is water not matter? Since when is air not matter? Both are chemistry. Elemental chemistry comes mainly from stars. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stellar_nucleosynthesis . In that sense all matter comes from stars. 

I suggest that you are asking the wrong questions.

(May 1, 2017 at 10:32 am)Little Rik Wrote: After so many years that most of you guys praise science as the panacea to human problems
now is time to show that you know something about science.

Here are three of the very basic questions.

1) In the existence of this universe of ours in which order the fundamental factors came.
The matter, the water, the light-energy, the air or the space?
(Did the matter came first or last and what about the other factors?)

 . . . and right there -- straight out of the gate -- you lost me.

The problem with you, Rik, is that you don't even understand how wrong-headed your questions are.

(May 1, 2017 at 10:32 am)Little Rik Wrote: After so many years that most of you guys praise science as the panacea to human problems
now is time to show that you know something about science.

Here are three of the very basic questions.

1) In the existence of this universe of ours in which order the fundamental factors came.
The matter, the water, the light-energy, the air or the space?
(Did the matter came first or last and what about the other factors?)

2) And why one factor came first and the next follow?

3) What is the best way to understand how the above universal factors are positioned or arranged?

Remember that I did not say anything about a creator so let us concentrate on science alone.

I'll ignore the strawman about science being a panacea and go to the heart of the matter.

What you seem to not understand is that science is a methodology for answering questions. It is a process.
Let's say you were really serious about answering the questions you posed. 

Below are two methods you can go about to try and find the answers. You tell me (honestly) which is the better method?

(May 1, 2017 at 11:00 am)Little Rik Wrote:

(May 1, 2017 at 10:46 am)Minimalist Wrote: Incorrect.  What we say is that religion is no way to solve anything.  Given enough time science will discover the truth while religitards cling to fairy tales.

Gee, that makes a lot of difference from what I say Min, doesn't she?
Beside that may well be your particular idea that of course doesn't mean that other people are in line with you.

Sorry if I ask you a question Min.  
Are you ok. today?  
I can not see your usual swearing.  

Go fuck yourself you silly motherfucker.  There, feel better now.  And fuck your silly god, too.

Jerkoff.

(May 1, 2017 at 11:08 am)Nanny Wrote:

(May 1, 2017 at 10:32 am)Little Rik Wrote: After so many years that most of you guys praise science as the panacea to human problems
now is time to show that you know something about science.

Here are three of the very basic questions.

1) In the existence of this universe of ours in which order the fundamental factors came.
The matter, the water, the light-energy, the air or the space?
(Did the matter came first or last and what about the other factors?)

2) And why one factor came first and the next follow?

3) What is the best way to understand how the above universal factors are positioned or arranged?

Remember that I did not say anything about a creator so let us concentrate on science alone.

Science is simply the best tool we have to explain phenomena. It does this way better than religion because it is verifiable. It is no panacea. 

Re: fundamental factors - since when is water not matter? Since when is air not matter? Both are chemistry. Elemental chemistry comes from stars. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stellar_nucleosynthesis . In that sense all matter comes from stars. 

I suggest that you are asking the wrong questions.

What about the space Nanny?
Does the space come from the stars too?  

Beside how do you know that the stars came first?
How can you put the stars in a non place?
Wouldn't you need a space to put the stars first?  

So..we all know that Rik is fishing for a point with all the ill-worded questions and dishonest shifts to come. So why not just spell out what you're trying to say up front so we can all avoid the song and dance this time?

What point are you trying to make?

(May 1, 2017 at 10:32 am)Little Rik Wrote: After so many years that most of you guys praise science as the panacea to human problems
now is time to show that you know something about science.

Here are three of the very basic questions.

Are they scientific questions?  No, they are not.  They presuppose Hindu religious drivel which is total bunk.  "Not science."

(May 1, 2017 at 10:32 am)Little Rik Wrote: 1) In the existence of this universe of ours in which order the fundamental factors came.
The matter, the water, the light-energy, the air or the space?
(Did the matter came first or last and what about the other factors?)

"In Hinduism's sacred literature, the "great" or "gross" elements (mahābhūta) are fivefold: space (or "ether"), air, fire, water and earth." ~ Wikipedia: Mahābhūta

Nobody gives a rat's ass what Hindu sacred literature says the elements are.  Science disagrees with the mythology.  "Not science."

(May 1, 2017 at 10:32 am)Little Rik Wrote: 2) And why one factor came first and the next follow?

Nobody cares about your religious drivel.  "Not science."

(May 1, 2017 at 10:32 am)Little Rik Wrote: 3) What is the best way to understand how the above universal factors are positioned or arranged?

Remember that I did not say anything about a creator so let us concentrate on science alone.

More religious drivel.  "Not science."

You are one deluded fuck if you think questioning us about Hindu mythology is any kind of "reckoning."  You're just looking for an excuse to spam more religious drivel.