Quote:Little Rik Wrote:
You don't get it Crunchy.

To be perfectly honest, it's you who have missed the point of what I posted. I'm not kidding either, you absolutely don't understand what it is I've said and it seems clear that you don't even understand what it is you're saying.
Look below and I'll show you.

Quote:There is nothing wrong with the scientific method that you just show.
Intuition however is a total different thing.

Yes, they are different and I pointed this out to you. 

"Intuition is faith in your own thoughts. If your intuition tells you the moon is 500 miles from earth, and someone else's intuition is that it is 1000 miles from earth, one or both of you is wrong. How can we go about figuring out what the correct answer is?"

Did you miss that part? It was my first sentence to you. It illustrates how people can get ideas that may be correct or may be false. Intuition may be one way to get an idea but that has nothing to do with determining the veracity of that idea. Getting an idea and determining its truth are two TOTALLY different things right? Now..."How can we go about figuring out what the correct answer is?"

Quote:Take Einstein and his theory of relativity.
He try and try to work out how to get it until one day it pop up in his mind.
Where you think it pop up from?
It pop up from his subconscious mind.
Nobody told him

Even if I grant you that the entire theory of relativity just popped into his head, in exactly the same way that someone's intuition told them the moon is only 500 miles away, there MUST be a method by which to verify ALL such intuitions about reality. 

Now get this because it's important: Nobody believes in relativity because "Einstein says so". Got it! That's what makes it science and not religion.

Relativity was subjected to the Scientific Method to reveal it's truth, not to yoga. No one relied on someone else's intuition even if that intuition is what led to the idea in the first place. You must understand the truth of this or you will continue to look foolish on the internet.

Quote:I already explained at nauseam about this topic and about the conscious mind and the subconscious mind
or what you are aware so far and what is hidden in the subconscious mind.

Intuitional science is all about to allow what is hidden in the subconscious mind to emerge in the conscious mind.  

Ok, so you don't understand. 
No one, No where is saying that people don't get all kinds of ideas from all kinds of places including dreams and intuition, and from staring at clouds or playing with a dog or working as a patent clerk.

The very first step in the scientific method that I first posted is...

GET AN IDEA!

You literally missed step 1) of the Scientific Method. 


So this is your mistake Rik. You think that intuition is somehow either better than or a replacement for the Scientific Method.
But you're wrong.
In fact, it's step one.

We can't explain everything.

Therefore: Odin.

(May 2, 2017 at 10:45 am)Little Rik Wrote:

(May 1, 2017 at 11:55 am)Nanny Wrote: Okay, so you concede that you worded your question poorly. Let's pick nits.

Space is nothing - vacuum, void. Where does one put nothing? 

So you want to question the BBT. Is that what this is all about? 

Why don't you state your hypothesis so we can pick that apart, too.

It is obvious that what you may think or dream of can not possibly be as powerful as you.
Suppose you dream of an elephant.
Do you think that this elephant of your dreams or imagination can do what you can do?
Of course it can not.
Similarly we humans are powerless to be able to do things that the mind that created us in his imagination can do but we fool ourselves in thinking that we are at the very top of this reality
and nobody is behind it.
A drop of water can not be as powerful as the ocean but once this drop merge in the ocean it will
have the same quality as the ocean.
I don't really think that you know an iota of how the universal system works so let us stop right here.  

Riddles? Ok batman.

(May 1, 2017 at 10:32 am)Little Rik Wrote: 1) In the existence of this universe of ours in which order the fundamental factors came.
The matter, the water, the light-energy, the air or the space?
(Did the matter came first or last and what about the other factors?)

This question doesn't even fucking make sense. water and air are both matter and space is exactly that, the space between bodies of matter.

Rik, why can't you at least check out the print on the bindings of a couple science books before spouting your pathetic drivel here?!? Or, do you like hanging your ignorance out for everyone to mock?

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(May 1, 2017 at 11:40 am)Little Rik Wrote: Tomorrow I will tell you how you guys fail miserably.

I wouldn't presume to speak for FatAndFathless, but I know I am looking forward to the continuance of your one man crusade to spread ignorance and folly as far as the internet will let you reach.

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(May 2, 2017 at 10:31 am)Whateverist Wrote: I wonder if you study your every turd to see what insights might be gained?  (It certainly seems that way.)

I don't know about his turd studying habits, but he sure can crank out the brain droppings.

(May 1, 2017 at 10:32 am)Little Rik Wrote: After so many years that most of you guys praise science as the panacea to human problems
now is time to show that you know something about science.

Here are three of the very basic questions.

1) In the existence of this universe of ours in which order the fundamental factors came.
The matter, the water, the light-energy, the air or the space?
(Did the matter came first or last and what about the other factors?)

2) And why one factor came first and the next follow?

3) What is the best way to understand how the above universal factors are positioned or arranged?

Remember that I did not say anything about a creator so let us concentrate on science alone.

OK, I've looked at this thread and the other people's responses. They've been addressed by others, but I'll give you my take.

1. Science is not a panacea for human problems. It is a method for finding descriptions that give us insight into the physical world. Science doesn't "solve" human problems. Your actual "question" isn't a question, but some sort of malformed statement. The answer to it, as near as I can tell is, "we don't know". I know, checkmate, atheists!

2. This is actually a question, but the syntax leaves me trying to figure out what you are actually asking.

3. Since the first two questions don't make any sense, I have no idea on how to answer the third. I'd suggest that you study English composition a bit, so that you can arrange words so that other people can understand them. You ARE a native English speaker, right?

(May 2, 2017 at 11:50 pm)Fireball Wrote:

(May 1, 2017 at 10:32 am)Little Rik Wrote: After so many years that most of you guys praise science as the panacea to human problems
now is time to show that you know something about science.

Here are three of the very basic questions.

1) In the existence of this universe of ours in which order the fundamental factors came.
The matter, the water, the light-energy, the air or the space?
(Did the matter came first or last and what about the other factors?)

2) And why one factor came first and the next follow?

3) What is the best way to understand how the above universal factors are positioned or arranged?

Remember that I did not say anything about a creator so let us concentrate on science alone.

OK, I've looked at this thread and the other people's responses. They've been addressed by others, but I'll give you my take.

1. Science is not a panacea for human problems. It is a method for finding descriptions that give us insight into the physical world. Science doesn't "solve" human problems. Your actual "question" isn't a question, but some sort of malformed statement. The answer to it, as near as I can tell is, "we don't know". I know, checkmate, atheists!

I wish you would have read all those posts in which atheists tell theists that science and not religions solve human problems.
It is bizarre that now all of a sudden atheists don't remember that nobody here ever said that science
is the solution which come natural to interpret that science is the panacea to human problems.
It is true that atheists here didn't just mention the word panacea but they mention the word solution.
My mother language is not English but I don't really think that there is any difference between the word
solution and panacea.  

Quote:2. This is actually a question, but the syntax leaves me trying to figure out what you are actually asking.

Huh huh.
What a big deal after all.
I did asked why one element among the 5 elements should come first and others should follow?
Is this so difficult to understand?
Suppose you want to use a computer.
First of all you got to buy a computer after that you got to make all connection after that you got to switch  
on the computer and only after that you got to open your eyes and there you are using a computer.
The existence of the 5 elements that compose the universe are in sequential order for the same reason.
They just follow the same logic.  

Quote:3. Since the first two questions don't make any sense, I have no idea on how to answer the third. I'd suggest that you study English composition a bit, so that you can arrange words so that other people can understand them. You ARE a native English speaker, right?

No, I am not a native English speaker that however should not prevent anyone to understand my simple questions.
The third question is as easy as the previous ones.
The very reason why you do not get it is because you and all the rest focus outside rather than inside.
Inside there are the solutions to my questions.
The human body offer the solution but because you don't bother to look within you fail in understanding how the whole system works.
The mind control the body and in a sequential order the glands that control different parts of the body
are located from top to bottom.






I did not checkmate you.
You just checkmate yourselves guys.  

..You think linking a gift-shop chart of 'chakras' is at all scientific?

(May 2, 2017 at 5:31 pm)Crunchy Wrote:

Quote:Little Rik Wrote:
You don't get it Crunchy.

To be perfectly honest, it's you who have missed the point of what I posted. I'm not kidding either, you absolutely don't understand what it is I've said and it seems clear that you don't even understand what it is you're saying.
Look below and I'll show you.

Quote:There is nothing wrong with the scientific method that you just show.
Intuition however is a total different thing.

Yes, they are different and I pointed this out to you. 

"Intuition is faith in your own thoughts. If your intuition tells you the moon is 500 miles from earth, and someone else's intuition is that it is 1000 miles from earth, one or both of you is wrong. How can we go about figuring out what the correct answer is?"

Did you miss that part? It was my first sentence to you. It illustrates how people can get ideas that may be correct or may be false. Intuition may be one way to get an idea but that has nothing to do with determining the veracity of that idea. Getting an idea and determining its truth are two TOTALLY different things right? Now..."How can we go about figuring out what the correct answer is?"

Quote:Take Einstein and his theory of relativity.
He try and try to work out how to get it until one day it pop up in his mind.
Where you think it pop up from?
It pop up from his subconscious mind.
Nobody told him

Even if I grant you that the entire theory of relativity just popped into his head, in exactly the same way that someone's intuition told them the moon is only 500 miles away, there MUST be a method by which to verify ALL such intuitions about reality. 

Now get this because it's important: Nobody believes in relativity because "Einstein says so". Got it! That's what makes it science and not religion.

Relativity was subjected to the Scientific Method to reveal it's truth, not to yoga. No one relied on someone else's intuition even if that intuition is what led to the idea in the first place. You must understand the truth of this or you will continue to look foolish on the internet.

Quote:I already explained at nauseam about this topic and about the conscious mind and the subconscious mind
or what you are aware so far and what is hidden in the subconscious mind.

Intuitional science is all about to allow what is hidden in the subconscious mind to emerge in the conscious mind.  

Ok, so you don't understand. 
No one, No where is saying that people don't get all kinds of ideas from all kinds of places including dreams and intuition, and from staring at clouds or playing with a dog or working as a patent clerk.

The very first step in the scientific method that I first posted is...

GET AN IDEA!

You literally missed step 1) of the Scientific Method. 


So this is your mistake Rik. You think that intuition is somehow either better than or a replacement for the Scientific Method.
But you're wrong.
In fact, it's step one.

Wrong again Crunchy.  

The very source of your life wouldn't care less whether you invent a spaceship to travel to other
planets in the universe or any other scientific discovery.
In the mind of this source everything that human beings discover is already there so no big deal
at all.
Life is all about discovering who we really are.
This is the big deal Crunchy.
All the rest is just a way to carry on in the quest for survival.

By concentrating all our energy in the quest for external deals and forgetting the real deal number one
people get lost and will have to carry on and on life after life chasing a folly that get them nowhere.
Good luck in your quest for the illusive McCoy.  

Quote:By concentrating all our energy in the quest for external deals and forgetting the real deal number one
people get lost and will have to carry on and on life after life chasing a folly that get them nowhere.

This means literally nothing. I don't know whether to chalk it up to the language barrier or simply the utter lack of content.

(May 3, 2017 at 9:23 am)FatAndFaithless Wrote: ..You think linking a gift-shop chart of 'chakras' is at all scientific?

Cakras are glands Fat and glands can be studied by science although the pineal gland is only understood
by science only for his physical manifestation such as the source of melatonin.
Science can easily understand that these glands are position along the spinal cord in a sequential order as to
control space, air, heat-energy-light, water and matter so by looking in this sequential order we can
see how the elements that make up the universe work and in which sequential order one come first and one come last.

Considering that none of you understand this simple thing than I will have to fail all of you.  

You guys checkmate yourselves.  
This is what I mean for the day of reckoning.  

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(May 3, 2017 at 9:41 am)FatAndFaithless Wrote:

Quote:By concentrating all our energy in the quest for external deals and forgetting the real deal number one
people get lost and will have to carry on and on life after life chasing a folly that get them nowhere.

This means literally nothing.  I don't know whether to chalk it up to the language barrier or simply the utter lack of content.

Put in this way Fat.
Does a scientific discover will bring peace of mind?
Not at all Fat because external things can not possibly alter the consciousness more than few minutes or few days but internal work can therefore the big deal is internal not external.
Considering that most people only chase external things then is obvious that they are getting nowhere in the quest for peace of mind.