(May 12, 2017 at 9:37 pm)Grandizer Wrote:

(May 12, 2017 at 4:44 pm)Catholic_Lady Wrote: I think the point is that He's not limited by time

That's not logically possible. I'm sorry, but it's just not. Like Alasdair said, you might as well say God can create square triangles or whatever.

Yeah, in our physical, natural world it isn't logically possible. Time exists so long as matter exists. But belief in God comes with belief in the spiritual world, where time isn't a factor.

(May 12, 2017 at 9:44 pm)Catholic_Lady Wrote:

(May 12, 2017 at 9:37 pm)Grandizer Wrote: That's not logically possible. I'm sorry, but it's just not. Like Alasdair said, you might as well say God can create square triangles or whatever.

Yeah, in our physical, natural world it isn't logically possible. Time exists so long as matter exists. But belief in God comes with belief in the spiritual world, where time isn't a factor.

Again, you might as well say anything is logical in the spiritual universe, including square triangles. I am also God, lol.

By the way, time is not just simply a correlate of material existence. Time is an automatic correlate of anything that exists in any meaningful way, including God. To say that God is beyond time is to say that God does not exist in any meaningful way.

So logic does not exist in spiritual realms ?

(May 12, 2017 at 9:21 am)Neo-Scholastic Wrote:

(May 11, 2017 at 10:35 pm)RoadRunner79 Wrote: I think as Neo said, there iis little indication of a second chance and more of a picture that there is not.  And by nature grace, doesn't require a first opportunity, let alone a second.

Yes, that was what I meant. FWIW annihilationism is still on the table. Unbelievers could just die permanently after the White Throne judgement. I'm sure they'll whine about it not being fair then too even though it will be exactly what they already expected.

No one is more bewildered than I when atheists whine about unfair treatment after they die from the god they don't believe in. Duh.

(May 12, 2017 at 10:48 pm)Whateverist Wrote:

(May 12, 2017 at 9:21 am)Neo-Scholastic Wrote: Yes, that was what I meant. FWIW annihilationism is still on the table. Unbelievers could just die permanently after the White Throne judgement. I'm sure they'll whine about it not being fair then too even though it will be exactly what they already expected.

No one is more bewildered than I when atheists whine about unfair treatment after they die from the god they don't believe in.  Duh.

There is that

But there is also the clear point that these are not the same thing

There is a different between natural death as result of non intension(shit tends to die but your only dead because you were once alive it has nothing to with the kind of person you were)  And death as a result of "judgment"(tyrannical petty egotism of being who's just pissy you won't kiss his boots because you owe him for some reason)

As I said before thou regardless of status I don't care

So  Neo can take his rhetoric of "whining" and shove it

(May 12, 2017 at 1:55 pm)Alasdair Ham Wrote: Free my ass.

Theres a joke there somewhere.

Something about a tied up Mule.
Or possibly a bum gag.

I meant to leave, I really tried. I am a failure. :p

I couldn't help responding to the annihilation comment. If we cease to exist, how can we complain? We literally won't exist to be able to complain.

Also, how to explain the inconsistencies in posited god....remove all rules! Easy peasy. It's unexplainable, unknowable, and impossible for humans to comprehend. But they seem to comprehend it, haha, and know how it all works! How handy. And those of us unable to comprehend or not know the unknowable incomprehensible are the ones that will be punished. Fuck that, if there is a god and he's honest at all, he’ll reward us for having the courage to admit we don't and can't know it! Rofl

Ps, being an animal, my instinct is to survive. Even a hard afterlife of existence seems preferable to nonexistence. I'll be happy if I'm wrong. The invention of lying.

Quote:Ps, being an animal, my instinct is to survive. Even a hard afterlife of existence seems preferable to nonexistence. I'll be happy if I'm wrong. The invention of lying.

I must disagree as a fellow animal there are states to horrible to accept continued existence an afterlife is one of those states I think instinct could account for this too .

I'm glad you're not leaving it Aroura. The more I see you posting around AF the happier it makes me. Great to see you around. I love your posts and I seem to always agree with you on everything

Which is an extreme rarity for me. I disagree about many things even with my best friends lol.

(May 13, 2017 at 9:29 am)Alasdair Ham Wrote: Which is an extreme rarity for me. I disagree about many things even with my best friends lol.

I disagree.  You are very agreeable - but there are limits.  It is your destiny to help right those who misspeak on the internet.  Go forth now and clean this place up.  Thank you, masked man.