(June 17, 2017 at 12:34 am)vorlon13 Wrote: Didn't the Freedom Caucus fuck Trumps health plan ?

I think rep Steve King was in on that.

Yup but the only reason was it was too much like Obama care .Which shows what brutal bunch of ass cracks they are

(June 16, 2017 at 3:26 pm)wallym Wrote:

(June 16, 2017 at 2:44 pm)Shell B Wrote: Yeah, reality isn't jiving with your picture of a far right that's not as bad as the far left. There are plenty of groups to counterbalance the crazy far left. The problem is, both sides are fucking the rest of us over. Why does no one notice the crazy conservatives in here all of a sudden?

I'm not getting where the idea I'm sympathetic to the far right is coming from.  I called them the loonie wing, and said I don't like them.  

What I've noticed, is that normal people.  College educated well-to-do white liberals with families and steady jobs and friendly personalities, when they start talking politics are now pretty over the top.  Trump is Hitler.  Die Scum Die!   They're supposed to be the nice people.  The humanists and progressives and such.  I'm just anecdotally seeing a shift.  Could just be a fluke.

This shift is imaginary. Do you not remember the accusations of Obama's gov't being NaZi, "death panels", our current President questioning Obama's legitimacy in office?

The corrosion in civility threatens to under the basis of our country. Both sides partake of vapid yet ugly rhetoric. Both sides are part of the deeper problem.

(June 17, 2017 at 10:09 am)Thumpalumpacus Wrote:

(June 16, 2017 at 3:26 pm)wallym Wrote: I'm not getting where the idea I'm sympathetic to the far right is coming from.  I called them the loonie wing, and said I don't like them.  

What I've noticed, is that normal people.  College educated well-to-do white liberals with families and steady jobs and friendly personalities, when they start talking politics are now pretty over the top.  Trump is Hitler.  Die Scum Die!   They're supposed to be the nice people.  The humanists and progressives and such.  I'm just anecdotally seeing a shift.  Could just be a fluke.

This shift is imaginary. Do you not remember the accusations of Obama's gov't being NaZi, "death panels", our current President questioning Obama's legitimacy in office?

The corrosion in civility threatens to under the basis of our country. Both sides partake of vapid yet ugly rhetoric. Both sides are part of the deeper problem.

The right wing of the republican party has and always will talk bullshit like Nazi 'death panels.'  The Sarah Palin wing.  The Tea Party/Freedom Caucus/Religious crazies.  But the moderate wing, people who like Mitt Romney and the others of his kind that the far right accuses of not really being republicans, aren't calling anyone Nazi's.  We don't think Obama was Kenyan, Muslim, or any of those things.  

We used to have counterparts.  But the people I expect to be reasonable democrats has shifted way left into the crazy rhetoric area.  The people who I'd think would have a civil conversation while the wings call eachother Nazi's are now in the calling people Nazi's business.


Too reiterate my original point. I don't think the rhetoric has changed. I think that a lot of people who I'd expect to be too smart to buy into the rhetoric are now engaging in it when they weren't previously.

After a while, one must decide to either continue sitting in silence or stand up and fight back. I prefer to view this democratic uprising as a "We're not taking this shit anymore" attitude that has rightfully and reasonably shifted toward a direction that will no longer be backed into a corner.

(June 17, 2017 at 11:50 am)Lutrinae Wrote: After a while, one must decide to either continue sitting in silence or stand up and fight back.  I prefer to view this democratic uprising as a "We're not taking this shit anymore" attitude that has rightfully and reasonably shifted toward a direction that will no longer be backed into a corner.

Emma Watson's speech on feminism to the United Nations completely got me off my ass. I blame her for helping me realize that shit happens when good people stand around and do nothing. I LOVE THAT GIRL!

(June 17, 2017 at 11:47 am)wallym Wrote: The right wing of the republican party has and always will talk bullshit like Nazi 'death panels.'  The Sarah Palin wing.  The Tea Party/Freedom Caucus/Religious crazies.  But the moderate wing, people who like Mitt Romney and the others of his kind that the far right accuses of not really being republicans, aren't calling anyone Nazi's.  We don't think Obama was Kenyan, Muslim, or any of those things.  

Glad you don't think Obama was a kenyan, but that would hardly be the most disturbing issue of the romney wing, now would it?  

Quote:We used to have counterparts.  But the people I expect to be reasonable democrats has shifted way left into the crazy rhetoric area.  The people who I'd think would have a civil conversation while the wings call eachother Nazi's are now in the calling people Nazi's business.

I'm rolling in dimes, business is good.  

Quote:Too reiterate my original point.  I don't think the rhetoric has changed.  I think that a lot of people who I'd expect to be too smart to buy into the rhetoric are now engaging in it when they weren't previously.

You've had plenty of posts to explain why you think the comparison doesn't fit, but you've been content to call those who make it crazy or dumb.  Well, even if everyone who made such a comparison -was- crazy, and/or dumb...that still wouldn't make the comparison any more or less accurate, huh?

(June 16, 2017 at 2:04 pm)vorlon13 Wrote: And until Hillary opened her FUCKING YAP, the coal miners were not blaming the demise of their industry on the Democrats.

Dems keep forgetting these little fucking clue things and they are going to LOSE another 50 congressional seats in 2018.

Exactly what I've said here in several threads. The dems lost their once largest and most loyal voting base in the last general election, the white male blue collar working class in the coal states and in the rust belt. Those same voters in once democrat held states who went for Trump in the last election, some of which hadn't voted for a Republican president in thirty years. Wisconsin, a shoe in for the dems also went Trump's way. During her campaign Hillary didn't even step one foot in that state. The lesson here, which the dems still hasn't learned, obviously, is that you don't win elections by ignoring your largest voting base. "Stronger Together!" How the hell is that supposed to connect with out of work coal miners and unemployed manufacturing workers? Like you said, if the dems keep dismissing that one important little fucking clue they're going to lose more congressional seats in the midterms. I have faith in the dems that they'll do just that.

(June 17, 2017 at 11:47 am)wallym Wrote:

(June 17, 2017 at 10:09 am)Thumpalumpacus Wrote: This shift is imaginary. Do you not remember the accusations of Obama's gov't being NaZi, "death panels", our current President questioning Obama's legitimacy in office?

The corrosion in civility threatens to under the basis of our country. Both sides partake of vapid yet ugly rhetoric. Both sides are part of the deeper problem.

The right wing of the republican party has and always will talk bullshit like Nazi 'death panels.'  The Sarah Palin wing.  The Tea Party/Freedom Caucus/Religious crazies.  But the moderate wing, people who like Mitt Romney and the others of his kind that the far right accuses of not really being republicans, aren't calling anyone Nazi's.  We don't think Obama was Kenyan, Muslim, or any of those things.  

We used to have counterparts.  But the people I expect to be reasonable democrats has shifted way left into the crazy rhetoric area.  The people who I'd think would have a civil conversation while the wings call eachother Nazi's are now in the calling people Nazi's business.


Too reiterate my original point.  I don't think the rhetoric has changed.  I think that a lot of people who I'd expect to be too smart to buy into the rhetoric are now engaging in it when they weren't previously.

There are nowadays moderate left-of-center politicians as well, who engage in civil discourse and attempt to construct compromises. I'm not sure why your apparent blind spot seems to cover them so precisely, but it rather impugns your opinion as being borne of bias, to me.

(June 17, 2017 at 3:15 pm)Thumpalumpacus Wrote:

(June 17, 2017 at 11:47 am)wallym Wrote: The right wing of the republican party has and always will talk bullshit like Nazi 'death panels.'  The Sarah Palin wing.  The Tea Party/Freedom Caucus/Religious crazies.  But the moderate wing, people who like Mitt Romney and the others of his kind that the far right accuses of not really being republicans, aren't calling anyone Nazi's.  We don't think Obama was Kenyan, Muslim, or any of those things.  

We used to have counterparts.  But the people I expect to be reasonable democrats has shifted way left into the crazy rhetoric area.  The people who I'd think would have a civil conversation while the wings call eachother Nazi's are now in the calling people Nazi's business.


Too reiterate my original point.  I don't think the rhetoric has changed.  I think that a lot of people who I'd expect to be too smart to buy into the rhetoric are now engaging in it when they weren't previously.

There are nowadays moderate left-of-center politicians as well, who engage in civil discourse and attempt to construct compromises. I'm not sure why your apparent blind spot seems to cover them so precisely, but it rather impugns your opinion as being borne of bias, to me.

Sure, there are moderate politicians.  They know the rhetoric is all a part of the game.  I'm sure a few of them drink their own kool-aid, but for the most part, they know it's just a tool they hand out to the masses to try and win elections.  That's why W, who was 100% a racist war criminal is somehow able to be friends with Obama a Kenyan who hates america and vice versa. 

Maybe there are some moderates, and I'm just overlooking them.  Maybe they just keep quiet, because if they tell people like Khemikal that Trump isn't like Hitler in any meaningful way, people like Khem will call them a Nazi sympathizer and socially ostracize them, and it's not worth the hassle?

Passed again, eh?  Boring.

Since you're clearly not up to that convo, let's try another, again based on your comments. Find me a moderate pro-trump politician? Let's start with that. What, in your estimation, have moderates been saying about Trump?