(August 28, 2017 at 5:34 pm)Cyberman Wrote: There's always the fact that, to my knowledge, none of the senior Nazi figures ever denied their part in the Holocaust. Which, you know, would presumably be your first objection if it didn't happen.

The dummies thought that they would get a light sentence if they went along with the scam.

So they were convinced they would get on with it if they went along with it, but they still decided, almost to a one, to pass the responsibility onto each other. It's like a frustratingly idiotic version of the Prisoner's Dilemma.

(August 31, 2017 at 7:43 pm)Anomalocaris Wrote:

(August 31, 2017 at 7:29 pm)CatholicDefender Wrote: Soviet Union, the greatest anti christian entity on the earth,

So Stalin did have some redeeming qualities.

Interestingly, the Eastern Orthodox Christian Church sucked stalin's cock with almost as much relish as the Catholic Church sucked Hitler's one testicled cock, and Stalin was more generous with his reward than Hitler, and he gave th patriarch of Moscow the Hero of socialist labor medal, which is the most prestigious medal the USSR gave to civilians.

I know you are being sarcastic, but don't feed the fundies. Stalin had absolutely NO redeeming qualities. Hitler had a dog and for a while the trains ran on time. 


NO Catholic Defender. Stalin was not anti religion, he was anti dissent. The majority of Russia prior to his rise,during his rule and as it still is under Putin, is Russian Orthodox Christian. Religion never left Russia. Stalin would not have rose without the population's support, regardless of his personal beliefs.

Is there some reason that the Holocaust is commemorated so darn much in this country, but Stalin's purges, Holodomor, and Gulag archipelago get a pass?

Is it because of all the liberal, atheist jews who dominate our media and public schools?

(September 1, 2017 at 10:15 pm)CatholicDefender Wrote: Is there some reason that the Holocaust is commemorated so darn much in this country, but Stalin's purges, Holodomor, and Gulag archipelago get a pass?

Is it because of all the liberal, atheist jews who dominate our media and public schools?

Leaving aside your 'liberal, atheist Jew' jibe, I think it's undeniable that Jewish-American efforts to keep those memories alive has a lot to do with it. But don't forget that we have a relative wealth of first-hand documentary evidence of the Nazi crimes that dwarfs what we have of Stalin's purges and the gulag system. We have books, including memoirs, of the Soviet crimes, but relatively few people read them. However, I suspect that most people eventually see the photos and film images taken at the Nazi-run camps, and those images tend to burn themselves into one's mind.

(August 29, 2017 at 4:03 pm)Anomalocaris Wrote: 70% of all German military casualties were inflicted by the soviets.    The size of the forces involved in the Italian campaign (10-15 divisions) would have been insignificant by the standard of eastern front.  Such a force would have been chewed up and spat out in a few days during the peak campaigning season on the eastern front.   The entire Italian campaign would not have warranted a foot note if it had been part of the war in the eastern front.   The destruction of the German army in the east by the Soviets summer offensive in 1944 doomed Nazi Germany.   Compared to the eastern front, the land war in the west is but a side show.  

Well, if Call of Duty 2 has taught me anything, it's because of the PPSh-41 that Russia kicked butt

(September 1, 2017 at 10:15 pm)CatholicDefender Wrote: Is there some reason that the Holocaust is commemorated so darn much in this country, but Stalin's purges, Holodomor, and Gulag archipelago get a pass?

Is it because of all the liberal, atheist jews who dominate our media and public schools?

Because we actually lifted a finger to stop the Nazis? Also, the number of Soviet defectors to America is dwarfed by the number of people who lived through the Holocaust and came to America afterward.

And do you seriously think Stalin apologetics is mainstream in America? Seriously, I think the best you'll hear for Stalin (outside of Russia for some very complex reasons and some really out-there sections of the web) is that Stalin wasn't actively attempting to conquer and destroy the world because he seemed content with fucking with the 15 republics of the Soviet Union (and the Eastern Bloc once WW2 was over.)

(September 1, 2017 at 10:15 pm)CatholicDefender Wrote: Is there some reason that the Holocaust is commemorated so darn much in this country, but Stalin's purges, Holodomor, and Gulag archipelago get a pass?

Is it because of all the liberal, atheist jews who dominate our media and public schools?

You start a thread about Holocaust deniers and then blame the Jewish media for focusing on the subject?

(September 1, 2017 at 10:15 pm)CatholicDefender Wrote: Is there some reason that the Holocaust is commemorated so darn much in this country, but Stalin's purges, Holodomor, and Gulag archipelago get a pass?

Is it because of all the liberal, atheist jews who dominate our media and public schools?

Stalin was only killing commies and Americans like that.

(September 2, 2017 at 12:29 am)Hammy Wrote:

(August 29, 2017 at 4:03 pm)Anomalocaris Wrote: 70% of all German military casualties were inflicted by the soviets.    The size of the forces involved in the Italian campaign (10-15 divisions) would have been insignificant by the standard of eastern front.  Such a force would have been chewed up and spat out in a few days during the peak campaigning season on the eastern front.   The entire Italian campaign would not have warranted a foot note if it had been part of the war in the eastern front.   The destruction of the German army in the east by the Soviets summer offensive in 1944 doomed Nazi Germany.   Compared to the eastern front, the land war in the west is but a side show.  

Well, if Call of Duty 2 has taught me anything, it's because of the PPSh-41 that Russia kicked butt

The T-34 tank helped too, and quarter million American lend lease cross country trucks, these let the Soviet armies advance in the face of German rear guard defenses literally faster than the main body of the German army can run away, thus exposing 2 myths:

Myth 1. The panzer were good,   in some ways, very.  But not overall.  Panzers won battles.  Russian tanks beat the stuffing out of them in terms of winning the war

Myth 2.  The german army was fast and mechanized,  only the panzer arm, and they became less fast and less mobile as the war went on.  The rest of the german army, that is 80% of the german army, relied on horses and feet, and can't march faster than napoleon or Caesar.

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(September 1, 2017 at 10:15 pm)CatholicDefender Wrote: Is there some reason that the Holocaust is commemorated so darn much in this country, but Stalin's purges, Holodomor, and Gulag archipelago get a pass?

Is it because of all the liberal, atheist jews who dominate our media and public schools?

let's not beat around the bush. You are a neo-Nazi looking for mainstream acceptance.