(November 27, 2017 at 2:20 pm)chorlton Wrote:

(November 27, 2017 at 2:04 pm)Chad32 Wrote: They have to use the bible, because that's about all the information they have. Everything else is sparce, and mostly written by people talking about what the followers happen to believe. Not something that had heavy concrete evidence thousands of years ago. It's notable that you can travel and see the code of Hammurabi statue, but not the original ten commandments tablets.

I get that but why play their game in here & dance to their tune?

they claim so just ask for evidence
the bible isn't so re-ask
after 3 x of asking with none given close the topic

im starting to feeling this forums 75% social club & 25% a theist ego trip
might re evaluate the point of it tbh

flame away if it pleases you but that's how I feel

I feel like having a conversation is more productive than just shutting the debate down by saying the bible is a shit pile, and anyone who believes it's still relevant in a modern age is ignorant or stupid. Not that I'm usually that blunt or insulting about things I disagree with, anyway.

I think these examples you have of an evil God is wrong and grossly misunderstood. For example, the infantcide in genesis is because of the Pharaoh and also because the devil wanted to destroy the chance of there being someone rise up from amongst the hebrews to become the saviour of the world and therefore defeat Satan. Another example is the story of Noah. The flood caused massive damage and the loss of thousands of lives. However, these lives were of people who were half human and half angels. These angels are from the 1/3 of angels who followed Lucifer when he fell from heaven. Anyone can check this out for themselves of they cared to look. Thoroughly read the bible before you use examples to support your claim/s.

(November 27, 2017 at 8:32 pm)chica__45 Wrote: I think these examples you have of an evil God is wrong and grossly misunderstood. For example, the infantcide in genesis is because of the Pharaoh and also because the devil wanted to destroy the chance of there being someone rise up from amongst the hebrews to become the saviour of the world and therefore defeat Satan. Another example is the story of Noah. The flood caused massive damage and the loss of thousands of lives. However, these lives were of people who were half human and half angels. These angels are from the 1/3 of angels who followed Lucifer when he fell from heaven. Anyone can check this out for themselves of they cared to look. Thoroughly read the bible before you use examples to support your claim/s.

No, it wasn't the pharaoh. Perhaps he was being stubborn at first, but part of the way through god specifically said he would harden the Pharaoh's heart so he could continue the plagues. After that point, nothing is the Pharaoh's fault. He's being forced into the situation. The devil doesn't really come into it.

As for the hybrids, I'm not sure why hybrids would be considered any more evil than anything else, given they were part angel. Them being hybrids, and mentioning some vague evilness of them, doesn't really say anything to justify slaughtering them. Again we get into this problem of god not knowing any other solution to a problem besides killing, and killing doesn't even solve the problem. Given he has to continue to do it over and over, and there are still problems in the world.

He tells his people to invade cities, and kill everyone there, and spends the aftermath enjoying the smell of blood. He's a god of war, and blood. Not of love.

Quote:but part of the way through god specifically said he would harden the Pharaoh's heart so he could continue the plagues.

Yep.

Quote:3 For Pharaoh will say of the children of Israel, They are entangled in the land, the wilderness hath shut them in.

4 And I will harden Pharaoh's heart, that he shall follow after them; and I will be honoured upon Pharaoh, and upon all his host; that the Egyptians may know that I am the Lord. And they did so.

Ex 14

That 'god' was something of a major dick.

(November 27, 2017 at 8:32 pm)chica__45 Wrote: I think these examples you have of an evil God is wrong and grossly misunderstood.

No, they're well understood.  

Quote:For example, the infantcide in genesis is because of the Pharaoh and also because the devil wanted to destroy the chance of there being someone rise up from amongst the hebrews to become the saviour of the world and therefore defeat Satan.

Firstly, exodus is fiction.  Secondly, an egyptian pharoah wouldn't have lost a single wink of sleep over some hebrew savior or christian satan.  

Quote:Another example is the story of Noah. The flood caused massive damage and the loss of thousands of lives. However, these lives were of people who were half human and half angels. These angels are from the 1/3 of angels who followed Lucifer when he fell from heaven. Anyone can check this out for themselves of they cared to look.

Again, fiction....but...... justifying xenocide because of miscegeny?  So much for "kinds" I guess.

Quote:Thoroughly read the bible before you use examples to support your claim/s.

Thoroughly reading magic book tells us nothing other than that we have a better understanding than the authors of magic book.  While it might have seemed like a good idea, then...to kill off all the mixed kids, or traffic in sex slaves among the vanquished...we know better.  

Or, at least....some of us do.  Others appear to think that maybe sometimes it's okay, or even divinely righteous.

(November 27, 2017 at 8:38 pm)Chad32 Wrote:

(November 27, 2017 at 8:32 pm)chica__45 Wrote: I think these examples you have of an evil God is wrong and grossly misunderstood. For example, the infantcide in genesis is because of the Pharaoh and also because the devil wanted to destroy the chance of there being someone rise up from amongst the hebrews to become the saviour of the world and therefore defeat Satan. Another example is the story of Noah. The flood caused massive damage and the loss of thousands of lives. However, these lives were of people who were half human and half angels. These angels are from the 1/3 of angels who followed Lucifer when he fell from heaven. Anyone can check this out for themselves of they cared to look. Thoroughly read the bible before you use examples to support your claim/s.

No, it wasn't the pharaoh. Perhaps he was being stubborn at first, but part of the way through god specifically said he would harden the Pharaoh's heart so he could continue the plagues. After that point, nothing is the Pharaoh's fault. He's being forced into the situation. The devil doesn't really come into it.

As for the hybrids, I'm not sure why hybrids would be considered any more evil than anything else, given they were part angel. Them being hybrids, and mentioning some vague evilness of them, doesn't really say anything to justify slaughtering them. Again we get into this problem of god not knowing any other solution to a problem besides killing, and killing doesn't even solve the problem. Given he has to continue to do it over and over, and there are still problems in the world.

He tells his people to invade cities, and kill everyone there, and spends the aftermath enjoying the smell of blood. He's a god of war, and blood. Not of love.

Take note that hes basically rewriting the Bible to make it more suitable for his moral sensibilities.

Don't they all? Note that it wasn't until god got personally involved, and hardened the guy's heart, that blood and possibly death got involved. Beforehand it was frogs and flies and warts. Suddenly at the end, you have animal blood smeared on doorways, and firstborn children dropping dead.

Well actually, I think there was a blood plague.

Quote:However, these lives were of people who were half human and half angels.

We got us a live one, boys.

(November 25, 2017 at 1:42 pm)Godscreated Wrote:

(November 25, 2017 at 1:23 pm)Chad32 Wrote: Sorry, misread the quote. You meant the getting away would be impossible. Not the invincible part. But some christians believe seperation from god is a thing that happens. So what about that?

 Correct, yet He is invincible. That is the eternal punishment not living in the moment.

GC

The fact God is invincible is not remotely impressive. Something nonexistent isn't exactly capable of being vincible.

(November 27, 2017 at 1:33 pm)Abaddon_ire Wrote: And it gets worse.

Using only the cases where numbers are given, god's direct death toll is in the region of 2.5 million. Add in the estimates for the flood, sodom and gommorah and such like butchery and gods death toll in the bible rises to some 25 million at least not including the billions of animals killed in the flood.

Compare that to Satan's death toll in the bible, how many did he kill?

10. That's it, just 10. And that was with god's permission on foot of a trivial bet with god.

About 2.4 billion died in the flood.
Sodom and Gomorrah close to 400,000 counting those in the surrounding cities.
Around 8 billion at the end of the world.
The Author of the rebellion against God is Satan, so anyone who adheres to the deeds or philosophy of this liar and murderer is as good as dead.

I am not quite sure how you would like to manage a world, let alone a universe where crime is acceptable - betrayal, lying, greed, murder, rape, the list is endless.


God will not sustain or perpetuate sin or sinners. You have absolutely no idea of what happened before the flood, or in Sodom.