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The statistics don't lie in this instance - they just don't. Thousands upon thousands of cases of polio (and other diseases) reduced through vaccinations to very few. How can that be argued against? There may be the odd case where there MAY be side affects, but, sad though that is, it is statistically negligible. I think it should be law to vaccinate your child.
My dad was involved in a car accident when I was little. He wasn't wearing a seat belt and as the car flipped he was thrown into the passenger seat whereupon the roof on the driver's side caved in. He survived - yet had he been wearing a seat belt he would have died. True story. But, that doesn't suddenly mean that I (or he) suddenly think that no one should wear seat belts and that they are potentially dangerous contraptions. It is rightly against the law not to wear seat belts in many countries. For me - this analogy works and the stats are probably similar.

The most disgusting part of his flim flam is the scare tactics . Of telling you what ails you must be MTHFR genes . It's essentially like medieval doctors saying your blood is unclean . Only instead of bleeding you to cure it. They tell you their magic supplements will save you .   

(December 20, 2017 at 8:56 am)Tizheruk Wrote: Fact of the matter is people who don't vaccinated their children should be charged with public endangerment or child abuse.

Why not both?

CL. you want my children dead. That is your wish and your hope.

You are lost, utterly lost.

Lol yep, you got it

I really wish some of you would read CL's first post or two where she said she would definitely vaccinate her kids. What CL is doing is trying to explain that she sees BOTH sides of the discussion. And since there really isn't anyone else here to argue for these anti-vaxxers, she's doing it in order to bring a well rounded discussion to the table. If everyone takes the same side of an issue, it no longer remains an issue.

She is playing devil's advocate on this topic and the insults and accusations being tossed in her direction is just pathetic. She doesn't wish for anyone's kid to die and you people fucking know that. Some of our more seasoned members here know what she went through last year and to accuse her of wanting to cause harm to other kids - well shame on you.

(December 20, 2017 at 6:07 pm)Patrick33 Wrote: Joining late.
The statistics don't lie in this instance - they just don't. Thousands upon thousands of cases of polio (and other diseases) reduced through vaccinations to very few. How can that be argued against? There may be the odd case where there MAY be side affects, but, sad though that is, it is statistically negligible. I think it should be law to vaccinate your child.
My dad was involved in a car accident when I was little. He wasn't wearing a seat belt and as the car flipped he was thrown into the passenger seat whereupon the roof on the driver's side caved in. He survived - yet had he been wearing a seat belt he would have died. True story. But, that doesn't suddenly mean that I (or he) suddenly think that no one should wear seat belts and that they are potentially dangerous contraptions. It is rightly against the law not to wear seat belts in many countries. For me - this analogy works and the stats are probably similar.

This is 100% what it is.  People who don't get the importance of numbers will multiply an individual anecdote like "He was thrown clear and it saved his life," so there will be like 1 million videos of this on Youtube.  People who DO get it will make a little statistical explanation that will get 100 views, or maybe 100k if it's V-sauce or something.

It then appears that the issue is more balanced than it really is: "Half the people I know think vax autism is likely true, and half don't.  Must be a matter of opinion, or an unresolved issue." They are completely incapable of finding the information that matters, and they won't listen to anyone who can guide them to it.

(December 21, 2017 at 10:44 am)Joods Wrote: I really wish some of you would read CL's first post or two where she said she would definitely vaccinate her kids.

I'm not so sure that she's telling the truth when she says that. Her posts read as the anti vaxxer version of the "I'm not a racist, but..." racist line, which is not surprising that she's pretty much an Ionanist/Opus Dei type catholic.

(December 21, 2017 at 10:44 am)Joods Wrote: I really wish some of you would read CL's first post or two where she said she would definitely vaccinate her kids. What CL is doing is trying to explain that she sees BOTH sides of the discussion. And since there really isn't anyone else here to argue for these anti-vaxxers,  she's doing it in order to bring a well rounded discussion to the table. If everyone takes the same side of an issue,  it no longer remains an issue.

She is playing devil's advocate on this topic and the insults and accusations being tossed in her direction is just pathetic. She doesn't wish for anyone's kid to die and you people fucking know that.   Some of our more seasoned members here know what she went through last year and to accuse her of wanting to cause harm to other kids - well shame on you.

1. Their is no other side . It's just anti social anti science nonsense 

2. And as much as i like CL . I can't abide such a defense of the indefensible  . Thou i definitely don't think she wants to hurt children .

(December 22, 2017 at 7:31 pm)Wololo Wrote:

(December 21, 2017 at 10:44 am)Joods Wrote: I really wish some of you would read CL's first post or two where she said she would definitely vaccinate her kids.

I'm not so sure that she's telling the truth when she says that. Her posts read as the anti vaxxer version of the "I'm not a racist, but..." racist line, which is not surprising that she's pretty much an Ionanist/Opus Dei type catholic.

LOL