More breaking news, Gates has flipped.

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(February 2, 2018 at 4:41 pm)alpha male Wrote: Regarding 2014, an article which cites a CNN article, which cites...no one, isn't compelling evidence.

"Fake news!" 

The entire world isn't running a massive conspiracy against your god emperor.  Stop. No one disputes that this fisa warrant was a reauthorization. No one.

https://www.scribd.com/document/37059871...from_embed

Quote:the initial application in October 2016

"Material omissions which impact the memos accuracy".  Again, you see nothing in there disputing that carter page was already under surveillance, they just fail to mention it entirely.

If you'll recall, this entire song and dance started as a way to try and back up trumps claim that Osama bin Obama put #wiretapps up his ass. Turns out, no..no, he may have been incidentally picked up by legal surveillance of actors already under warrant. Who kept doing what foreign agents do...and got successive, completely legal, warrants placed upon -their- dumb asses.

(February 2, 2018 at 4:53 pm)Khemikal Wrote: "Material omissions which impact the memos accuracy".  Again, you see nothing in there disputing that carter page was already under surveillance, they just fail to mention it entirely.

If you'll recall, this entire song and dance started as a way to try and back up trumps claim that Osama bin Obama put #wiretapps up his ass.  Turns out, no..no, he may have been incidentally picked up by legal surveillance of actors already under warrant.  Who kept doing what foreign agents do...and got successive, completely legal, warrants placed upon -their- dumb asses.

But khem the evil Liberal elitist who want take their tax bribes away . Are all in on it.

Yep, and the fisa process, and mounds of republicans in the fbi, and the judge who signed the warrant, and the brits..and..somehow..history itself...all aligned in a conspiracy against one Donald John Trump.

This is a fucking death spasm...and it's sad to watch. If this is the best that the party of lincoln has, they should quit.

(February 2, 2018 at 4:27 pm)Minimalist Wrote: The memo itself - try reading yourself instead of relying on Breitbart for a change - specifically notes in Paragraph 5) that the FBI's Russia investigation began as a result of George Papadopoulos running his fucking mouth.

http://docs.house.gov/meetings/IG/IG00/2...-SD001.pdf


I guess your right-wing pals missed that.  Probably too busy jerking off.

I'm talking about the unverified Steele Dossier that used to obtain the FISA warrants. Paragraph 4

Quote: Furthermore, Deputy Director McCabe testified before the Committee in December 2017 that no surveillance warrant would have been sought from the FISC without the Steele dossier information.

The memo does not establish that the fisa warrant was approved on the grounds of steeles dossier....which just keeps getting verified. There is no direct quote, btw, from McCabe's closed door comments..in that memo. Odd.

Strange how that happens.  A total frame job that somehow ends up more and more true with every passing day.  What an enormous coincidence. Or, I guess, the deep state has some secret machine to bend the fabric of reality itself.

(February 2, 2018 at 2:49 pm)A Theist Wrote: The FISA warrant was obtained using the unverified Steele Dossier as its basis.

Do you have evidence of that? The memo says it "formed an essential part" of the FISA application. That doesn't mean the same thing as being its basis. There's no mention of any other evidence that was used in the application. I believe this is a point of contention with the FBI and Democrats.

Quote:Parts of it corroborated? Not good enough. Mixing lies with a few truths isn't good enough. It's still deception.

Er...yeah it is good enough. If you have a document that has a mixture of lies and truth, but you are only using the corroborated parts as evidence, why would that not be fine? It's only deception if the FBI took parts of the dossier that weren't corroborated and tried to present them as absolute truth.

Quote:What other facts are you aware of that have been omitted?

The fact that the memo says the dossier was paid for by the DNC and Clinton campaign, when actually the original funding came from a Republican. That's a pretty important fact considering the memo tries to present the dossier as a partisan hit job.

The memo also states that the FISA application said Steele did not directly provide information to Yahoo News, but he admitted to it in court. That would definitely be evidence that the FBI lied on the FISA application, except that the court date for Steele's admission was May 18, 2017, well after the FISA application. In other words, the FBI didn't lie, they were mistaken.

Quote:The Democrats are only opposing this because they want to keep the Russia witch Hunt investigation front and center through to the mid terms. They're not interested in justice or the truth.

Again, do you have any actual evidence of that? I could say the same thing about the ridiculous number of Benghazi investigations that went nowhere. I'm sure you'd argue they were all necessary in the name of justice and truth, right?

(February 2, 2018 at 2:52 pm)Neo-Scholastic Wrote: This is not the investigation of a crime to determine who was responsible. This is an investigation of a person to determine what unknown crime he might have committed. Usually there is a crime before a criminal investigation. What crime exactly was committed? Collusion is not a crime. This is not a criminal investigation. It is a counter-intelligence operation, one apparently funded by and sourced from an opposing political party during an election. And none of that bothers you?

The actual task of the investigation is to find "any links and/or coordination between Russian government and individuals associated with the campaign of President Donald Trump, and any matters that arose or may arise directly from the investigation". Bolding mine, because it's important.

In more broader terms, it arose from several intelligence agencies concluding that with a high degree of certainty, Russia attempted to interfere with the US election. There is plenty of evidence of that.

This is a criminal investigation, which should be obvious from the fact that 4 people have already been charged with crimes. I fail to see how an investigation which began with a Republican FBI director (Comey), and later had a Republican deputy attorney general (Rosenstein) hire a Republican (Mueller) special counsel to perform the investigation, is in any way a counter-intelligence operation for the Democrats. This goes beyond party loyalty, this is, and always has been, about a notorious foreign adversary trying to interfere with our democracy. That should bother everyone.

Welcome to america, Tibs. 
(I envy your patience, btw, give it a few more decades..though, lol)

(February 2, 2018 at 5:10 pm)Khemikal Wrote: The memo does not establish that the fisa warrant was approved on the grounds of steeles dossier....which just keeps getting verified.  There is no direct quote, btw, from McCabe's closed door comments..in that memo.  Odd.

Strange how that happens.  A total frame job that somehow ends up more and more true with every passing day.  What an enormous coincidence.  Or, I guess, the deep state has some secret machine to bend the fabric of reality itself.

No, it wasn't established that the fisa warrant was approved on the grounds of the Steele Dossier because they didn't tell FISC that they were using the Dossier as their source. They basically misled the FISA court by with holding that information....lying to and misleading FISC is illegal.