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Pedophilia in the Bible: this is a porn book
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 (March 20, 2018 at 4:41 am)AtlasS33 Wrote: Nothing proved controversial more than the explicit sexual references in the bible.  says the arm chair quarterback who has never lived a day in the society he judges.  (March 22, 2018 at 9:44 am)Khemikal Wrote: I thin you misunderstand the object of my derision, Alpha. It's not magic book, lol. I'm not claiming "objective morality." I challenged vulcan because his statement implied that such exists. Why do you even bother talking to me when you generally don't know what I'm saying?
That you think it's remarkable that a person would make a reference to some objective morality, rather than thinking it's remarkable to consider sex slaving expeditions into your neighbors country a remarkable inclusion in that objective morality....is remarkable.
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 (March 22, 2018 at 1:13 pm)alpha male Wrote:(March 22, 2018 at 9:44 am)Khemikal Wrote: I thin you misunderstand the object of my derision, Alpha. It's not magic book, lol. Start making coherent arguments then we can know what you are saying. What you really mean by "you don't know what I am saying" is "I am frustrated that they won't simply swallow my arguments." We actually DO know what you are saying because many of us used to believe ourselves. You being frustrated that we are not buying your product is your baggage, not ours.  (March 22, 2018 at 7:43 am)vulcanlogician Wrote: Did you not read the rest of my post, Banned? What about slavery? Isn't it good that we got rid of it? And we didn't do it because the Bible commanded it. We did it because we realized it was wrong to own other human beings. There are some good moral principles in the Bible, I'll grant you that. But there are also good moral principles OUTSIDE the Bible too. That's all I'm saying. I did read the rest, and I go along with what you are saying, but I just wanted to comment on France...having tried to rid themselves of the Bible. (March 22, 2018 at 3:36 pm)Khemikal Wrote: That you think it's remarkable that a person would make a reference to some objective morality, rather than thinking it's remarkable to consider sex slaving expeditions into your neighbors country a remarkable inclusion in that objective morality....is remarkable. I'd already rebutted the charge that they were sex slaves.  (March 23, 2018 at 9:16 am)alpha male Wrote:(March 22, 2018 at 3:36 pm)Khemikal Wrote: That you think it's remarkable that a person would make a reference to some objective morality, rather than thinking it's remarkable to consider sex slaving expeditions into your neighbors country a remarkable inclusion in that objective morality....is remarkable. The the word "sex" out of it then. The Bible explicitly condones slavery, goes on to make laws regulating it, and doesn't bother to repeal any of it in the NT. Slavery is objectively immoral. It took humanity some time, but it looks like we finally figured that out. As I said before, there are some really powerful moral teachings in the Bible, but it is not a complete disclosure of objective morality. We can do better than the standard the Bible sets. Slavery is a perfect example of this. PS: And back to the original point: even if you argue that the verses in question don't condone sex slavery, I think there are other passages that do. RE: Pedophilia in the Bible: this is a porn book
March 23, 2018 at 10:36 am
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(March 23, 2018 at 9:27 am)vulcanlogician Wrote: The the word "sex" out of it then. And the word "slaves." The law specifically says that they are wives, and if divorced are free, not slaves. I have to ask again if you're aware of any provisions in the Bible that would go against slavery as it was practiced in America. (March 23, 2018 at 9:27 am)vulcanlogician Wrote: Slavery is objectively immoral. Oh do tell. Sure, you can show slavery to be immoral under certain moral systems, but the selection of any particular system as the system is subjective. Atheists used to be good at this. RE: Pedophilia in the Bible: this is a porn book
March 23, 2018 at 11:52 am
(This post was last modified: March 23, 2018 at 11:59 am by The Grand Nudger.)
I'm getting the impression that you're one of those guys who thinks "it's not what it looks like, I swear" has ever been a compelling argument.
 So, here's a related question. If you didn't have a giant jesus shaped blockage in your head that prevented you from seeing things for what they are..would that passage strike you as a deal breaker? Would you peace right the fuck out of a religion that maintained that a god told his chosen people to invade some other tribes land, annihilate them, and steal their pretty young daughters? Additionally, if this were a deal breaking sort of thing for you..what would you say to some other religious person who simply conceeded that it is exactly what it looks like, but that it was gods will, so, good..qed?
I am the Infantry. I am my country’s strength in war, her deterrent in peace. I am the heart of the fight… wherever, whenever. I carry America’s faith and honor against her enemies. I am the Queen of Battle. I am what my country expects me to be, the best trained Soldier in the world. In the race for victory, I am swift, determined, and courageous, armed with a fierce will to win. Never will I fail my country’s trust. Always I fight on…through the foe, to the objective, to triumph overall. If necessary, I will fight to my death. By my steadfast courage, I have won more than 200 years of freedom. I yield not to weakness, to hunger, to cowardice, to fatigue, to superior odds, For I am mentally tough, physically strong, and morally straight. I forsake not, my country, my mission, my comrades, my sacred duty. I am relentless. I am always there, now and forever. I AM THE INFANTRY! FOLLOW ME!
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