(March 25, 2018 at 11:03 pm)chimp3 Wrote: My father is a Pentecostal preacher- retired.I love that man!  I have been an atheist since I was 13 years old. I can hack it!

(March 26, 2018 at 6:53 pm)chimp3 Wrote: Critical analysis. When I was a Sufi Muslim I bought a Koran. When I read it I was no longer a muslim. I own a copy of both.

Your father was a Pentecostal preacher, but you were a Sufi Muslim prior to age 13?

(March 27, 2018 at 5:00 pm)Jehanne Wrote:

(March 27, 2018 at 2:12 pm)Drich Wrote: If this is truly your question then know your mind heart have grown so cold to the truth you do not care what truth is you simply want to follow what you think is right.

I believe that Jesus was a Jewish apocalyptic prophet who was born and raised in northern Galilee.  As a child, Jesus probably suffered from some sort of neurological disorder, but he became a charismatic preacher who developed a small following with his belief that the "Son of Man" (an angelic being) would come down (Jesus believed in a flat Earth, as did his contemporaries, Paul included) from Heaven to deliver the Jewish people from the Romans.  After a year or two of preaching, some of Jesus' followers convinced him to take his message south to Jerusalem; after arriving, Jesus found his way to the Temple, and there was an altercation between Jesus and the Jewish establishment.  The Romans intervened almost immediately, and Jesus was arrested and taken into Roman custody.  A short time later he was interrogated by a Roman official (he and Pilate probably never even met), and Jesus was found to be eccentric and given to flights of apocalyptic imagination and statements.  The Roman authorities, as they did often, consulted with the local Jewish authorities, and it was soon thereafter determined that Jesus needed to be put down.  Pilate gave the order, and Jesus was publicly executed by crucifixion.  After his death, his body was taken down, tossed into a nearby pit, where it was consumed by ravenous dogs.

Heartbroken, some of Jesus' followers began to have visions of the "risen" Christ, and stories began to be circulated about his teachings and life, which were retold, redacted, and eventually, began to be written down in some 40 different "gospels" a generation to two after Jesus' death.  Paul, an epileptic, also began to have visions of Jesus, and he, as with Jesus, had some neurological issues, which led him to go off the religious deep-end.  Eventually, the new religion began to form itself, from the bottom-up, and with embellishment after embellishment, the new religion began to remake Jesus and his teachings in its own image.

  dogs.. with all that has been written that says otherwise you pull dogs out of you b-hole and somehow that has more believably that what the standing local tradition for the time would be?

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(March 27, 2018 at 5:07 pm)Brian37 Wrote:

(March 27, 2018 at 2:12 pm)Drich Wrote: Do you not understand the word manifest?

man·i·fest1
ˈmanəˌfest/
adjective

1. 1.
   clear or obvious to the eye or mind.
   "the system's manifest failings"
   synonyms:
   obvious, clear, plain, apparent, evident, patent, palpable, distinct, definite, blatant, overt, glaring, barefaced, explicit, transparent, conspicuous, undisguised, unmistakable, noticeable, perceptible, visible, recognizable
   "his manifest lack of interest"
   
   
   

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verb
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1. 1.
   display or show (a quality or feeling) by one's acts or appearance; demonstrate.
   "Ray manifested signs of severe depression"
   synonyms:
   display, show, exhibit, demonstrate, betray, present, reveal; 
   formalevince
   "she manifested signs of depression"
   

Hmmm To believe in what has been manifest is to believe in what is obvious to the eye or mind by definition 1. So to answer your question I believe in what has been made manifest because again it is obvious to my eye and mind to what the truth of God is.

Lets say you were leaning over to definition 2 the one I had in mind when I read your question.

Hmm seems to me to be made manifest is to in this case have God make Himself real before you... 

Well He did. and I continue to believe because I absolutely know that He did and continues to support and care for me. In essence you are asking why do I believe in face of all the evidence God has granted me....

If this is truly your question then know your mind heart have grown so cold to the truth you do not care what truth is you simply want to follow what you think is right.

No sorry. It doesn't work like that.

All you are doing with your word salad is the same thing people of other religions do.

"Manifest" in the way you treat it all your are arguing is "It is obvious to me."

THAT is not an argument.

It is "manifest" to Muslims and "obvious" to them Allah is correct.

It is "Manifest"" to Jews and "Obvious" to them Yahweh is correct.

It is "Manifest" to Buddhist and "Obvious" to them Buddha is correct.

It is"manifest" to Hindus and "Obvious" to them Brahma is correct.

GET IN LINE, take a number.

Moron, read the f-ing definition. IT is obvious, because it has been demonstrated or an attribute has been witnessed.

In other words: "God is made manifest by..." not it's manifest to Muslims.. how is it you are all word Nazi's to me but are completely oblivious to how words are defined and used? how can you bust my nuts for spelling when your vocabulary is so lacking you can't use a word in a sentence correctly, AND THEN show me contempt for my beliefs!!!


So again To me God is made manifest to me by revealing Himself to me as He has promised to do to all who a/s/k.

let me use the small words here so you don't confuse yourself. 
I sought out God as the bible directs (not how religion tells us) and God showed up. God manifest Himself before me in 3 different ways.

No muslim aside from a top level/ mo-hammy prophet would dare to ever claim this.

No Jew would ever claim this least he also claim to be a prophet of God.

No Buddist has spoken to buddah nor would their beliefs allow them to claim so. (save one guy at the top)

And Hindu God do not commune with people/anymore.

what else you got?

That Jesus' corpse was tossed into a nearby pit is at least certain; that is, after all, what Romans did to their victims of crucifixion.

(March 28, 2018 at 3:39 pm)alpha male Wrote:

(March 25, 2018 at 11:03 pm)chimp3 Wrote: My father is a Pentecostal preacher- retired.I love that man!  I have been an atheist since I was 13 years old. I can hack it!

(March 26, 2018 at 6:53 pm)chimp3 Wrote: Critical analysis. When I was a Sufi Muslim I bought a Koran. When I read it I was no longer a muslim. I own a copy of both.

Your father was a Pentecostal preacher, but you were a Sufi Muslim prior to age 13?

No. I took a short venture into Sufism in my twenties.

(March 28, 2018 at 5:23 pm)Jehanne Wrote: That Jesus' corpse was tossed into a nearby pit is at least certain; that is, after all, what Romans did to their victims of crucifixion.

then why not produce the remains when rumors of resurrection began and squash the religion before it began? the body was secured and detain by ROME because of rumors of resurrection. That's the whole deal about the roman seal. if the seal was broken then that squad or platoon of soldiers protecting that seal would be executed. in other words they defended the seal with their lives.

(March 25, 2018 at 10:52 pm)chimp3 Wrote: I have my KJV! You have until the end of my day Easter Sunday to woo me over to your side! Any takers?

What's the sign-up fee?

(March 29, 2018 at 10:12 am)Drich Wrote:

(March 28, 2018 at 5:23 pm)Jehanne Wrote: That Jesus' corpse was tossed into a nearby pit is at least certain; that is, after all, what Romans did to their victims of crucifixion.

then why not produce the remains when rumors of resurrection began and squash the religion before it began? the body was secured and detain by ROME because of rumors of resurrection. That's the whole deal about the roman seal. if the seal was broken then that squad or platoon of soldiers protecting that seal would be executed. in other words they defended the seal with their lives.

You just don't get it; the Romans didn't give a shit. That's why none of them took notice of Jesus. He was just another crank whom the Romans desposed of, literally and figuratively.

All of that crap in the Gospels is just myth, like the mythical Earthquake and zombie invasion.

The part about drinking poison and playing with deadly snakes ain't myth !!!!


Oh for more of the believers to demonstrate it !!!

Quote:then why not produce the remains when rumors of resurrection began and squash the religion before it began? the body was secured and detain by ROME because of rumors of resurrection. That's the whole deal about the roman seal. if the seal was broken then that squad or platoon of soldiers protecting that seal would be executed. in other words they defended the seal with their lives.

If Jesus even existed i doubt Roman gave a shit

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Quote:What's the sign-up fee?

Lol no

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Quote:If I were to take your bible and show you everything you believe to be true, a lie. you would hate me and or God for destroying how your little world works.  

That said if you have a question or there is something holding you back, now is the time to ask it.

Wow that's a whole new level of cowardice

(March 29, 2018 at 12:19 pm)Jehanne Wrote:

(March 29, 2018 at 10:12 am)Drich Wrote: then why not produce the remains when rumors of resurrection began and squash the religion before it began? the body was secured and detain by ROME because of rumors of resurrection. That's the whole deal about the roman seal. if the seal was broken then that squad or platoon of soldiers protecting that seal would be executed. in other words they defended the seal with their lives.

You just don't get it; the Romans didn't give a shit.  That's why none of them took notice of Jesus.  He was just another crank whom the Romans desposed of, literally and figuratively.

All of that crap in the Gospels is just myth, like the mythical Earthquake and zombie invasion.

You know only Rome had the power to beat and crucify him right?

if they did not care why do this?