Hay Drich what's your take on the Turin Shroud? I mean this being Easter n'all.

(March 30, 2018 at 9:20 pm)Succubus Wrote: Hay Drich what's your take on the Turin Shroud? I mean this being Easter n'all.

It's a flimsy fraud, The idea being directly stolen from the tragically lost time 'Shroud of Trenne'.

(March 30, 2018 at 5:03 am)chimp3 Wrote:

(March 30, 2018 at 1:44 am)Godscreated Wrote: You have been presented the truth from your father and then the rest of the Christians here, if you haven't gotten it by now why should we waste our time on you. Jesus told His disciples to leave any town that would not listen to what they had to say about Him and the wiping off the dust from their sandals was the same as a curse put on them. What makes you believe you are any better off than those people, what makes you believe God has reserved another chance for you. I will say this, listen to Drich if you have a question/questions then you should ask, one never knows what God has for them and surely you wouldn't want to waste your last chance.

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I do not believe in any god, so why would I think it has reserved anything for anyone? Why would I be concerned about dust on sandals? Is that all you have, fear tactics?

It might behoove  you to find some respect for the God who gave you life on this planet and wants you to enjoy life eternal with Him. It's your decision and you will be held accountable for that decision. As for the fear tactics, I was only telling you what could be.

GC

Go find a respectable god.

(March 30, 2018 at 9:46 am)Jehanne Wrote:

(March 30, 2018 at 1:44 am)Godscreated Wrote: You have been presented the truth from your father and then the rest of the Christians here, if you haven't gotten it by now why should we waste our time on you. Jesus told His disciples to leave any town that would not listen to what they had to say about Him and the wiping off the dust from their sandals was the same as a curse put on them. What makes you believe you are any better off than those people, what makes you believe God has reserved another chance for you. I will say this, listen to Drich if you have a question/questions then you should ask, one never knows what God has for them and surely you wouldn't want to waste your last chance.

GC

You need to understand that it is not 4 Gospels, but 36 others, also, that you need to analyze to understand  the origin and evolution of not one Christianity but at least a dozen different varieties and sects.

 28 that have been rejected by biblical scholars and the educated church of the protestants which I'm one of. There is only one gospel and that is the gospel of Jesus Christ and what He did to give all mankind a chance at salvation, which you have rejected without foundation to do so.

GC

(March 30, 2018 at 11:42 pm)Godscreated Wrote:

(March 30, 2018 at 5:03 am)chimp3 Wrote: I do not believe in any god, so why would I think it has reserved anything for anyone? Why would I be concerned about dust on sandals? Is that all you have, fear tactics?

It might behoove  you to find some respect for the God who gave you life on this planet and wants you to enjoy life eternal with Him. It's your decision and you will be held accountable for that decision. As for the fear tactics, I was only telling you what could be.

GC

You are simply playing the hellfire card because you are out of shit.

Quote:It might behoove  you to find some respect for the God who gave you life on this planet

He is not worth respecting .So i owe him nothing .

Quote: and wants you to enjoy life eternal with Him.

A eternal life with your holy sociopath would be worst then any hell

Quote:It's your decision and you will be held accountable for that decision. 

Asking someone to believe the unbelievable and bow to the fiend you worship without good cause is not a choice .  

Quote:As for the fear tactics, I was only telling you what could be.

No your using fear tactics (bad ones )and your telling him your own schadenfreude

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Quote: 28 that have been rejected by biblical scholars and the educated church of the protestants which I'm one of.

28 books were tossed aside by irrational fanatics because they did not fit reformations political agenda and their lust for power .

Quote:There is only one gospel and that is the gospel of Jesus Christ and what He did to give all mankind

There are a bajillion interpretations of the bible each as made up and contradictory and lacking any justification as the others 

Quote:a chance at salvation, which you have rejected without foundation to do so.

Every foundation their is has can only lead to rejection .

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(March 30, 2018 at 6:51 pm)Jehanne Wrote:

(March 30, 2018 at 6:19 pm)Wololo Wrote: Best defence against rhinos and hippopotomi.  Why do you think Dr. Livingstone lasted so long in Africa?

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No he wasn't.  Jesus was mentioned in Eusebius' copy of Josephus' Antiquities.

Nobody else's copy mentioned Jesus until Eusebius' translation was declared official.

Oh, Jehanne you're also wrong about Tacitus,  the reference came from an 11th century copy where spectral and xray analysis showed the references to "Christus" and "Christianes" originally read "Chrestus" and "Chrestianes".  There were many cults of holy men called Chrestus in early Principate Rome.  Also if Tacitus knew about Jesus why did the rcc ensure all extant copies of his Histories have the years when Jesus was supposedly on ministry and becoming famous excluded?

Your analysis, if correct, is wonderful!

Fact is, though, that NO secular source around 30 AD thought that Jesus was even worthy of mention.  Why is that?  (Question for believers, too!)

Christians will just scream "argument from silence " call you a conspiracy theorist" because people would have noticed " and make up a bunch of imaginary scriptures that need to be destroyed and complaints that criticism should have come sooner. We have walked that road and it's a depressing one .

(March 31, 2018 at 12:47 am)Godscreated Wrote:

(March 30, 2018 at 9:46 am)Jehanne Wrote: You need to understand that it is not 4 Gospels, but 36 others, also, that you need to analyze to understand  the origin and evolution of not one Christianity but at least a dozen different varieties and sects.

 28 that have been rejected by biblical scholars and the educated church of the protestants which I'm one of. There is only one gospel and that is the gospel of Jesus Christ and what He did to give all mankind a chance at salvation, which you have rejected without foundation to do so.

GC

I don't know who these Biblical scholars are; do you believe that most Biblical scholars are inerrantists, such as yourself?  For instance, why shouldn't I accept the Gospel of Peter?  Unlike Matthew, Mark, Luke and Gospel, it claims, explicitly, to have been written by the Apostle Peter.  Or, for that matter, the Gospel of Thomas?

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(March 31, 2018 at 4:41 am)chimp3 Wrote:

(March 30, 2018 at 11:42 pm)Godscreated Wrote: It might behoove  you to find some respect for the God who gave you life on this planet and wants you to enjoy life eternal with Him. It's your decision and you will be held accountable for that decision. As for the fear tactics, I was only telling you what could be.

GC

You are simply playing the hellfire card because you are out of shit.

I grew-up with this bullshit, night terrors and all.  It's all about control (of women, homosexuals, transgenders, etc.), manipulation and power.

(March 30, 2018 at 3:57 pm)He lives Wrote: I am convinced that most atheists have an unfounded belief in abiogenesis. They expect theists to prove ID to be true yet they can't prove happenstance is true. It is kind of a double standard.

American right. 
I'm guessing home "schooled".

Unlikely things happen all the time.

(March 31, 2018 at 7:32 am)Jehanne Wrote:

(March 31, 2018 at 12:47 am)Godscreated Wrote:  28 that have been rejected by biblical scholars and the educated church of the protestants which I'm one of. There is only one gospel and that is the gospel of Jesus Christ and what He did to give all mankind a chance at salvation, which you have rejected without foundation to do so.

GC

I don't know who these Biblical scholars are; do you believe that most Biblical scholars are inerrantists, such as yourself?  For instance, why shouldn't I accept the Gospel of Peter?  Unlike Matthew, Mark, Luke and Gospel, it claims, explicitly, to have been written by the Apostle Peter.  Or, for that matter, the Gospel of Thomas?

The biblical scholars I'm speaking of are those who originally put the Bible together, going through every available manuscript and finding those that were in agreement with each other and tossing the ones that were not or were obviously contradicting the teachings of Christ. The Jews put together most of the OT, that is what Jesus and His disciples taught from. The men who wrote the books of the NT had no idea those books and letters would ever end up in a book like the Bible and I would say some would have been surprised their writings lasted long enough to be available for consideration. Ultimately God lead these men(biblical scholars) to the decisions of which books would make up the Bible and it has been sufficient for many a years before some of these other letters and books were found. I personally know little of the other gospels that have come to light, I trust in the array of men and women who determine whether the other writings should become part of the bible or used as teaching aids. I have enough to do with trying to understand our present day Bible, it is an endless wealth of information for those who seek God's truth. Yes I do believe most biblical scholars are inerrantists, at least those who are concerned with the truth from God.

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