Modern Day Moses, here to lead we lowly heathens through the desert to the promised land!

That your entire religion is founded on a property dispute is, to me..both the most tragic and hilarious bit of the whole thing. I rate you no higher than a useful idiot, seeking to support your master in a civil case with his brother..both of whom long dead, both of whom with no right to any property whatsoever, let alone the earth and all of humanity. You;re not a messenger...you're a stooge.

You know who else gets accused of being babbling, incoherent, and vapid? People who make babbling, incoherent, and vapid arguments and statements.

Just because nobody can understand you doesn't mean you're some clear-thinking prophet-level theological guide. You could very well just be as nonsensical as everyone currently perceives you to be.

Seriously, go take a break.

The property is who leads. And all problems, like the Torah properly says, is when people take the name of God and name themselves with it.

Everyone representing morality as if they know what's up when they have no clue and are in need of an Image of God and name of God like Adam, appointed by God like Seth.

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(April 3, 2018 at 10:48 am)FatAndFaithless Wrote: You know who else gets accused of being babbling, incoherent, and vapid?  People who make babbling, incoherent, and vapid arguments and statements.

Just because nobody can understand you doesn't mean you're some clear-thinking prophet-level theological guide.  You could very well just be as nonsensical as everyone currently perceives you to be.

Seriously, go take a break.

It's possible but not reality. Reality is I have presented good arguments for God.

I looked back at that thread, and I saw in my Deist days, I use to say things very humbly like "I say I feel as if it's the case" and Stimbo properly pointed out, it's because I am not willing to take the honest position that I claim I know for sure, so the etiquette is either honest and I'm not sure or it's deceiving. 

And from that perspective, I even began to appreciate the tone of the Quran better.

(April 3, 2018 at 10:49 am)MysticKnight Wrote: The property is who leads. And all problems, like the Torah properly says, is when people take the name of God and name themselves with it.

Everyone representing morality as if they know what's up when they have no clue and are in need of an Image of God and name of God like Adam, appointed by God like Seth.

That may be true, but you will still have to clean behind the fridge, like it or not. 

Boru

Mystic, you seem downright pissed that anyone can speak cogently about morality without reference to your god or any need for your religious iconography.  This might make you angry, lord only knows why..maybe it's because your belief structure is tied to that somehow being impossible...but it is the reality of the matter.

I don't need anything you're offering to provide a sound moral assessment. No one does.

(April 3, 2018 at 10:59 am)Khemikal Wrote: Mystic, you seem downright pissed that anyone can speak cogently about morality without reference to your god or any need for your religious iconography.  This might make you angry, lord only knows why..maybe it's because your belief structure is tied to that somehow being impossible...but it is the reality of the matter.

And that must be why you are too scared to answer my question in the other thread.

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(April 3, 2018 at 10:48 am)FatAndFaithless Wrote: You know who else gets accused of being babbling, incoherent, and vapid?  People who make babbling, incoherent, and vapid arguments and statements.

Just because nobody can understand you doesn't mean you're some clear-thinking prophet-level theological guide.  You could very well just be as nonsensical as everyone currently perceives you to be.

Seriously, go take a break.

I'm saying who else get's accused: all the Messengers per account of Quran.

It's only when you really start making sense and people can't refute it that they just assert the whole thing is babbling.

The other thread exists, if you have questions to ask relevant to that thread, just ask them there.

MysticKnight Wrote:

Mister Agenda Wrote:You've given us no reason to suspect you've got any truth to bother with. If you've got it, be a better Messenger, and don't waste your time blaming your audience for your failures to communicate coherently.

And I know very well that excuse "you haven't communicate coherently" Moses was accused as such, and he know it was due to the ears of people, and that is why he prayed for the one God will send to the whole world, to untie his knots on his tongue which is not fault of Moses, but God got upset, why? Cause he had Aaron, which proves Aaron, and his family, were true successors of Moses, though Jews don't perceive. So he wanted him to look immanently in the future. And in the dead sea scrolls, there is a binding promise to the offspring of Aaron, that's it's only the pure and righteous from them, that the covenant pertained to with respect to the Priesthood.

Truth is not so hard to find if we search. Mohammad is in the Torah clearly for example, if one just thinks about that. There must be "one who God will send", that is different then all MEssengers God has sent, in that he is sent to the whole world, which means the Torah and Moses and his successors, weren't the final deal.

And the Messenger has long come, and his book is revealed to unite all tongues of all Prophets including Mohammad, and in that lies the truth of Ali and his offspring. 

There is so much proofs for everything we need to know but we don't search.

This is just an example of Christians and Jews not thinking about the Torah properly.

They will read all the verses alluding to this, and not think about it.

I believe in God. Humans, at this point, not so much. But I have to try.

Nothing but a ramble of assertions. You could use the 'next word' function on a smart phone and at least it would be interesting. I have to center myself after reading one of your posts so I don't think less of Islam because of what you've said.

(April 3, 2018 at 11:03 am)Mister Agenda Wrote:

MysticKnight Wrote:And I know very well that excuse "you haven't communicate coherently" Moses was accused as such, and he know it was due to the ears of people, and that is why he prayed for the one God will send to the whole world, to untie his knots on his tongue which is not fault of Moses, but God got upset, why? Cause he had Aaron, which proves Aaron, and his family, were true successors of Moses, though Jews don't perceive. So he wanted him to look immanently in the future. And in the dead sea scrolls, there is a binding promise to the offspring of Aaron, that's it's only the pure and righteous from them, that the covenant pertained to with respect to the Priesthood.

Truth is not so hard to find if we search. Mohammad is in the Torah clearly for example, if one just thinks about that. There must be "one who God will send", that is different then all MEssengers God has sent, in that he is sent to the whole world, which means the Torah and Moses and his successors, weren't the final deal.

And the Messenger has long come, and his book is revealed to unite all tongues of all Prophets including Mohammad, and in that lies the truth of Ali and his offspring. 

There is so much proofs for everything we need to know but we don't search.

This is just an example of Christians and Jews not thinking about the Torah properly.

They will read all the verses alluding to this, and not think about it.

I believe in God. Humans, at this point, not so much. But I have to try.

Nothing but a ramble of assertions. You could use the 'next word' function on a smart phone and at least it would be interesting. I have to center myself after reading one of your posts so I don't think less of Islam because of what you've said.

Why is it ramble - the assertion that when proof becomes manifest regarding God and his proof and the path, that people resort to calling it all unclear - as was done with the Messengers in the past when the message became clearer and clearer.

I use to say the exact same things as a Deist, and you guys understood, but now that the arguments have been upgraded, to a point it's not rational to doubt the conclusions, it's easy to just dismiss it all then deal with it. It's a very rational stance to take, and the laughter pertaining to God who by the definition is the most sacred being to be revered, is not natural. It's irrational, and frankly, nothing to do with human nature, and proves yes, dark magic. Defense mechanism to refuse to accept the Divine is not natural, it's an act of weakness due to sorcery overcoming people. This is a very rational position to take and has many proofs. Abundant proofs. Sufficient is the question of God by definition is too sacred to mock around and laugh about.

Convenient isn't it....

Convenient it isn't. I'd much rather engage with a Muslim poster capable of actual engagement and able to formulate coherent engagements and actually challenge me. Instead I get you.