(April 16, 2018 at 1:05 pm)Abaddon_ire Wrote:

(April 16, 2018 at 11:38 am)He lives Wrote: https://youtu.be/Gl7oOFZ1UUA

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https://youtu.be/JL1oDuvQR08

Then aren't you just a bit gullible?

Are you doubting the Almighty YouTube?

(April 13, 2018 at 3:18 pm)zebo-the-fat Wrote: I have no interest in near death experience, I want evidence of a post death experience

This bears repeating. I've decided to recuse myself from all further discussions concerning this subject because I've come to the conclusion that none of it is compelling evidence for any sort of afterlife. I gave it a fair shake. I've read several accounts and opened my mind to the possibility that these experiences could indicate a life after death. But no one--not one single person--has addressed Zebo's point here. Why should we count dream like experiences that happen at the moment of near death as evidence for an afterlife?

You could say "Well such and such was brain dead when the experience was said to happen." But NO! You can't say that. There is no way to verify if a dream-like experience happened at any specific time. If I had a dream last night that a bear chased me off a cliff, I can't tell you when during the night that I had the dream. In the same way there is no possible way to verify if anyone has an experience while brain dead. It could have been right before... it could have been right after. There's no way to tell.

And without this key piece of data--a verifiable post-death experience--there is no way to glean any information about life after death. NDE's are meaningless. The issue is dead on arrival (no pun intended).

(April 13, 2018 at 3:18 pm)zebo-the-fat Wrote: I have no interest in near death experience, I want evidence of a post death experience

According to the bible after the crucifixion all the tombs opened and the dead walked. Making jesus's supposed reawakening one of many and rather common place.

In the bible it names nine people other than jesus who were resurrected at various other times.

(April 16, 2018 at 2:30 pm)downbeatplumb Wrote:

(April 13, 2018 at 3:18 pm)zebo-the-fat Wrote: I have no interest in near death experience, I want evidence of a post death experience

According to the bible after the crucifixion all the tombs opened and the dead walked. Making jesus's supposed reawakening one of many and rather common place.

In the bible it names nine people other than jesus who were resurrected at various other times.

You"d think the Romans would have noticed and mentioned it...

There seems to be something interesting going on with near death experiences, but lacking more information, it's hard to tell exactly what that something is.

It's possible that life after death is required to explain it, but so far nobody has demonstrated that. All you see is people jumping on one or the other bandwagon without really considering the whole of the evidence.

Sure, it's possible that it's an example of life after death, but it's also possible that it has a natural explanation. But all you hear from survivalists is, "It must be life after death! Hurr durr!"

That's crazy and irresponsible. Until more is known, a position of robust agnosticism towards NDEs seems like the most reasonable position to take.

(April 16, 2018 at 4:05 am)The Valkyrie Wrote:

(April 16, 2018 at 3:35 am)ignoramus Wrote: If this ain't a near death experience, I don't know what is!

If I caught a patient eating that crap, I'd have him arrested.  And I say "him" because I can't picture a woman eating something like that.

Yeah. If you're going to put somebody on an all burger diet, at least give them proper burgers. Not desiccated pieces of slop.

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(April 16, 2018 at 11:38 am)He lives Wrote: https://youtu.be/Gl7oOFZ1UUA

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https://youtu.be/JL1oDuvQR08

tl;dr.


Well, aside from that Ian McCormack being a lying piece of shit for calling himself a former atheist.

Closest I've come to a near-death experience was getting dressed in a dark closet with a pocket full of change.

(April 16, 2018 at 1:05 pm)Abaddon_ire Wrote:

(April 16, 2018 at 11:38 am)He lives Wrote: https://youtu.be/Gl7oOFZ1UUA

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https://youtu.be/JL1oDuvQR08

Then aren't you just a bit gullible?

How is it gullible to believe the word of a renowned cardiac surgeon? Are you supposing he is a liar? Perhaps you can tell me why he would put his reputation on the line by lying.

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(April 16, 2018 at 12:47 pm)BrianSoddingBoru4 Wrote: YouTube videos?  That's it  - I'm convinced.

Boru

You should be convinced unless you can explain how a patient under anesthesia can see sticky notes on a monitor.

(April 16, 2018 at 11:43 pm)He lives Wrote:

(April 16, 2018 at 1:05 pm)Abaddon_ire Wrote: Then aren't you just a bit gullible?

How is it gullible to believe the word of a renowned cardiac surgeon? Are you supposing he is a liar? Perhaps you can tell me why he would put his reputation on the line by lying.

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(April 16, 2018 at 12:47 pm)BrianSoddingBoru4 Wrote: YouTube videos?  That's it  - I'm convinced.

Boru

You should be convinced unless you can explain how a patient under anesthesia can see sticky notes on a monitor.

What the brain picks up that we're not initially aware of is amazing.

And many anaestetics take time to be fully effective.

Edit. Why would he put his reputation on the line. We could ask the same of a certain famous neurosurgeon who, not so long ago, ran for US president while promoting batshit crazy ideas.

(April 16, 2018 at 11:53 pm)The Valkyrie Wrote:

(April 16, 2018 at 11:43 pm)He lives Wrote: How is it gullible to believe the word of a renowned cardiac surgeon? Are you supposing he is a liar? Perhaps you can tell me why he would put his reputation on the line by lying.

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You should be convinced unless you can explain how a patient under anesthesia can see sticky notes on a monitor.

What the brain picks up that we're not initially aware of is amazing.

And many anaestetics take time to be fully effective.

Edit.  Why would he put his reputation on the line.  We could ask the same of a certain famous neurosurgeon who, not so long ago, ran for US president while promoting batshit crazy ideas.

So you are saying that the brain has the ability to detect post it notes on a monitor while the eyes are closed? Can you do that? Can you go into a room you have never been in before blindfolded and afterwards describe everything in the room just by detecting it with your brain?